Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baucalis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Baucalis[edit]

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Article adds no substantial information beyond what is available on Arius, and the bulk of the very short article is actually about Arius, not Baucalis. Propose Merge with Arius ReformedArsenal (talk) 23:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that currently it doesn't have any new substantive information in it, but that doesn't mean that it won't sooner or later. It doesn't matter that much to me if it's deleted, merged, or remains. I only created it because there was no real info anywhere for that region in Alexandria, and I thought that there probably should be. Not sure why you feel the need to have it deleted, just because AT PRESENT it adds no real substantive new info.

But as I said, it's no big deal either way to me. I just did it because there's no link for that section in Egypt, when most sections in Egypt have a wiki article. That was all. Gabby Merger (talk) 02:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use your sandbox to develop articles... right now it's an article about Arius called Baucalis... that is confusing and causes people researching to spend time somewhere that doesn't help them. ReformedArsenal (talk) 03:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. But if you notice in the edit comment for that article, I clearly said "under construction". Meaning it obviously was not finished yet. I was looking for some more info on the city or region itself, not so much on Arius and Alexander. But from what I saw, there's not so much data on that place. That I found so far. Hence why I said that this can go either way for me. Because I concede the point, and knew it from the beginning. My only point here is that it was not finished, and not everything has to be "sandbox". But even so, I agree that the article should deal more with the region itself, geography, history, formation, rather than so much on Alexander or Arius. Gabby Merger (talk) 04:37, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 15:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 15:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Merge to Arius. At presetn the article is all about him, but I am willing to rescind that judgment if something else caqn be said about the place. Perhaps Userify pending the article being completed. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Google Books and Scholar results linked by the nomination procedure provide ample evidence that this was a notable district of Alexandria. The whole point of the "Wiki-" in "Wikipedia" is that articles are developed collaboratively in main space, not by individual editors in a sandbox. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to the article, but at this point the article is not about Baucalis, it is about Arius. It needs to be improved, quickly, or it should be merged. ReformedArsenal (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The notability of Baucalis (alternatively spelled as Boukolou or Baukalis) extends beyond its association with Arius. For example, here's a quote from Alexandria in Late Antiquity: Topography and Social Conflict (pg. 263): "The church at Baucalis appears to have been adjacent to the martyrium of Saint Mark, since all the recensions of Marks passion place his execution and eventual burial at a site known as Boukolou" (see also here). At any rate, Google Books searches on Baucalis / Boukolou / Baukalis yield multiple WP:RS with significant coverage. I would also note that while the article definitely needs improvement, these are surmountable problems that good editing can resolve and are not a sufficient reason to delete an article with potential. --Mike Agricola (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Mike Agricola, that the site is notable by itself as being the location of the Martyrium of St. Mark: "By the mid-fourth century his martyrium was a place of pilgrimage (located at Boukolou beside the sea in the eastern part of the city)."[1] from The Architecture of Alexandria and Egypt C. 300 BC to Ad 700, Yale University Press. First Light (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is also the site where later Patriarchs of Alexandria were elected. I've added this and the St. Mark connection to the article, with an additional reference to St. Mark's martyrdom there from the writings of Otto Friedrich August Meinardus. First Light (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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