Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Uralsk

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The result was delete‎. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Uralsk[edit]

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Isn't it a hoax? Embellishment? The article was created in the spirit of the author: there are fewer Kazakhs, more opponents, but the Kazakhs still win and even do not suffer any special losses. Kazman322 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Kazman322 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I’ve read a number of accounts of the fighting around Uralsk in 1919 since seeing this AfD nomination and I can’t find one that agrees with the account in this article. It looks to me like an unreliable piecing together of snippets to make something that doesn’t correspond with the actual course of events. Mccapra (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Kazakhstan, and Russia. Shellwood (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (or Delete) - I don't read Russian and, since the cites are images, translation tools are not helpful. I will stay neutral until someone who read the sources natively can tell if they are RS or even related to the topic. My suspicion is that they are neither, hence my lean toward deletion. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 16:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article was clearly created to inflate the Alash-Orda role in this part of the Russian Civil War. The cited article by Skrobov doesn't mention the Kazakhs at all, and by this well-researched account the actual battle for Uralsk was a siege from May to July fought between the Reds and Whites, not an event that took place in April as the article claims. The docs.historyinrussia source is a telegram by Mikhail Frunze reporting that Red troops are quickly retreating towards Uralsk on 17 April, which also doesn't mention the Kazakhs at all. Amanzholova is correctly copied in the article, in repeating the information that the forces called up by Alash-Orda dispersed in the face of the Red advance, except for the important information that the Red detachment from Buzuluk was defeated by the Whites, not the Alash-Orda troops. Given the misuse of sources by article create, all of his edits should be considered suspect. Kges1901 (talk) 03:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.