Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Manila (1365)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Museumification to WP:LHOW can be asked for at WP:REFUND Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Manila (1365)[edit]

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All of the sources referenced in this article do not explicitly mention that a battle occurred in 1365 in a locality named "Manila". Some of the sources even lack the necessary keywords like "1365", "Battle" and "Manila", making this article not satisfy the basic verifiability and notability criteria of Wikipedia. Also, it is clear from the conversations with the author in the talk page that he can't provide reliable secondary sources from reputable journals or academic books that can be used to improve this article and all that has been claimed so far in this specific Wiki page are most likely original research. Stricnina (talk) 09:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Stricnina (talk) 09:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Stricnina (talk) 09:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The most creditable interpretation of the talk page discussion is that there must have been a battle, but that it is completely lost to history, all records of it destroyed. That's not what Wikipedia is for. Some quick looking around only got me a book that was written by people with credentials in geomorphology, agriculture, and soil science that explicitly cited Wikipedia as its source for its history. And even that did not actually talk about any battles in 1365, just about Canto 14 and Saludong, as discussed at the top of the article's talk page back in 2016. Uncle G (talk) 10:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Talk:Battle of Manila (1365), and as sufficiently explained by the nominator. The only thing which can extracted from the sources cited (reliable or not) is that around that time (year not specified) some kind of political transition (unknown whether peacefully or by external force) took place in certain polities in the area of present-day Manila (which latter itself is not mentioned). I.e. the very event which makes up the subject of the article is completely unattested. –Austronesier (talk) 11:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I as the primary author of this article recognize that after some peer review by my fellow Wikipedians, the only truth that can be extracted is that Manila was under the political dominion of Majapahit at least by that year metioned, from a previously independent status. Whether a battle or voluntary allegiance happened, isn't stated explicitly only that political domination occured according to the text of the book "Nagarakretagama". I suggest deleting this article and migrating the information to the new one, called: "Incorporation or Vassalage of Manila" to make it conform to community standards.--Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 11:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per discussion on the Talk page. I am not convinced that moving the article (as implied by the previous reaction) is the best solution. Probably just one or two sentences of the current article are worth to keep, which can better be incorporated in History_of_Manila#Early_references_to_Selurong_(1360s). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete And clearly do not move the article. Not every change in control of a place is worthy of its own article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per Talk:Battle of Manila (1365) I would say deleting this article and replacing the data to the new one. --MA Javadi (talk) 19:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a blatant hoax Mimihitam (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and consider sending to WP:LHOW. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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