Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Damascus (1257)

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Damascus (1257)[edit]

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I cant verify that this battle actually occurred. And the sources that I have found discussing the situation don't mention it. The Baybars seem to have been in Damascus in 1257... but I don't find any mention of a battle in this source: [[1]] or in this source: [[2]] which mentions a battle in Nablus and Gaza, but not in Damascus. If they plundered Damascus, I think it would be mentioned. I can't find the sources cited in the article, but unless someone can find any reference to this battle, I'm forced to conclude that it may be a hoax, or that the sources are somehow conflating it with the Mongols taking the city in 1260. Any help identifying verifying sources or sources that don't mention any battle in that time period would be helpful. — Insertcleverphrasehere^{(or here)_{(or here)^{(or here)}}} 00:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete one of many problematic battle articles created by this editor. All share the characteristic of being covered in a couple of offline Turkish sources while an online search reveals nothing significant or nothing at all about them. I couldn’t find anything about this alleged battle either. Mccapra (talk) 06:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a legit hoax then. Pretty rare find. I've only ever found a handful of hoax articles while reviewing, and this was probably the most convincing of them (though it followed the classic pattern of offline sources only for a historical article). I actually missed your "factual accuracy" tag when I was reviewing and went straight to the book searching, but it seems you spotted it first. — Insertcleverphrasehere^{(or here)_{(or here)^{(or here)}}} 01:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete same formula as the rest of Gokturklerrr's article creations: mentioned briefly in a chronicle, given the title of battle to appear convincing, sourced from offline Turkish sources to appear realistic, and all of them failing WP:GNG, WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:PRIMARY. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Egypt, and Syria. Curbon7 (talk) 12:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: even if we assume it's real, we have nowhere near enough sources to write an article about it. I don't believe it's real, though - I can find a few things saying they left Damascus in 1257, which makes it unlikely they had a battle there (did they conquer a city just for fun and then go off to do other things?)

I believe Syedah Fatima Sadeque's Baybars I of Egypt is an English translation of the Ibni Abduzzahir source, but I could not find a full enough copy to verify anything in it. 3mi1y (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can find passing mentions of Baibars defeating Sinjar al Halabi in a battle for Damascus circa 1261. See W B Bartlett (2008) ("[A]nother Mamluk general, Sinjar alHalabi, had seized Damascus. Although he was popular with the Damascenes, they were not strong enough to resist Baybars' army and the city soon fell to him.") and Flocel Sabaté ·(2020) ("Sinjar al - Halabi coronated himself as the Sultan of Damascus . Baibars failed to solve the situation through peaceful means , had to crush Sinjar al - Halabi's rebellion by force , captured him 1261 AD / 659 H.") Not suggesting this satisfies GNG, but it may not be a hoax. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it is far from clear how this article fits into the course of events related in the article on Baybars. If kept the article would need to be expanded to show who he was and some context provided as to who had been ruling Damascus previously. I am not formally voting as I do not know about the subject. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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