Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Bhutala

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Bhutala

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No reliable sources (WP:RS) mention a "Battle of Bhutala," nor do any of the references cited in the article. The article lacks notability, as even the authors Srivastav Ashoka and Somani Ram Vallabh are unsure about the year the battle occurred, and they cannot confirm if the leader was Iltutmish of the Delhi Sultanate. Neither the background nor the battle sections provide details about the events related to this alleged battle.

The battle section is a direct copy of a primary Indian inscription from Hamir Mada Mardan, dated to the 13th century and written by one of the participants, making it unreliable. The aftermath section is disorganized, failing to specify details about the war, belligerents, or aftermath. The article consists of WP:SYNTH and original research, with no reliable sources confirming the battle or its details. As such, the article fails the notability criteria. Imperial ^[AFCND] 06:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, and India. Imperial ^[AFCND] 06:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to the closer:

Please review the background and edit history of the voters (whether they are for "keep" or "delete"). Articles related to Indian history, especially those concerning wars, battles, and sieges, are often sensitive and have been subject to active meatpuppetry for a long time. Kindly disregard comments from active POV pushers, as I discovered this article through the contributions of one.--Imperial ^[AFCND] 06:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: While I think this is not a hoax (or at least not a recent one), as it is mentioned in a few unreliable sources, but just a bunch of OR, there clearly isn't a single mention of even the existence of this battle in reliable sources, meaning it fails WP:GNG (and WP:NEVENT as no lasting consequences or large scope). — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 10:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It contains reliable sources and I can't find any reason for not passing WP:GNG it clearly passes WP:GNG. Raged Pratihar (talk) 08:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Raged Pratihar: Most of the references ([1] [2] [3] [4]), do not even mention the word "Bhutala".

The two that do ([5] [6]), both deduce of a historical drama I can't find a trance of ("Hammirmadmardanam" or "Hamir Mada Mardam") that there was a battle at that place, but are not sure when or between whom. Also these sources look reliable and independent, WP:GNG also requires WP:SIGCOV, and merely stating existence is not significant. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 13:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails rs and notability. As imperial has mentioned, this contentious topic area has been a breeding zone for meat and sockpuppet POV pushers. Also want to point out that Raged Pratihar has already been suspected of sock-puppetry. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/R2dra Someguywhosbored (talk) 07:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.