Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry Manilow/Barry Manilow Trivia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE ill-formed page, but I'll keep it for a while (a week or so) to allow merging any worthy material into the main page. See: Talk:Barry Manilow#Trivia page - Nabla 22:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Manilow/Barry Manilow Trivia

Forked page to put overbtrivia The way to deal with bloated trivia sections is to prune (or better remove) them, not to fork them into non-articles full of nothign but dross that nobody wants in the main article. Guy (Help!) 18:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Meaninglesslown trivia section on. Should not have own page, various other "trivia" pages have been deleted. Dannycali 18:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/delete trivia, completely unencyclopedic. Do not re-merge anything into Barry Manilow. It is junk wherever it is kept. Dr bab 19:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep its all trivia. I moved the snippets in it from the main section because it was trivia. I created a new section for it because it also represents contributions that weren't mine, and being reletively new to this WIKI thing wasn't sure of what the protocol was for deleting other peoples work. As it appears that there are strong feelings on the issue, what is the next step? Does it get deleted by a vote or what?

Goinglogo 21:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominated. For more information, Goinglogo, see the guide to deletion. This isn't a vote, it's a discussion to gain a consensus; although very often they tend to look like votes in theory they are not. After consensus is reached, usually five days, it will be removed by an administrator. Your conservative approach to other editors' work and reasonable reaction to this situation is very much appreciated, and this isn't something that will be held against you. --Dhartung | Talk 04:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP and RENAME contains noteworthy information. Could be better presented on a page renamed Barry Manilow's medical interventions with a shorter trivia section following. 67.98.154.56 13:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Talk:Barry Manilow/Barry Manilow Trivia and keep. This is an irregularly formed subpage. (see Wikipedia:Subpages). Subpages of talk pages are allowed as a repository for material that requires editing or is otherwise under construction. At least some of this material probably belongs in the Barry Manilow article in chief. "Trivia" is likely inevitable in articles about popular music performers and similar celebrities, and some of this information rises above "trivia" in my eyes, but this is beside the point. Someone has tried to move "trivia" out of the article while keeping it for future editing: this is better than simply deleting it, and should be encouraged. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This certainly appears to be well-sourced. Is there no way of fitting all of these "trivia" points into the main article as per standard BLP policy? ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 16:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It will be a shame to lose well referenced material, but some of it really is very trivial indeed. An article about nude sunbathing and Reagans being a case in point. If I thought any of this stuff was relevant, important or even interesting I would have stitched it into the main article. This is especially the case when there is so much of his contribution to music that has yet to added to the article. - Goinglogo 01:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge just the key "noteworthy" information back to the main article. First trim out the useless trivia, and especially delete anything that is not neutral and verifiable and scrupulously attributed to reliable sources, per WP:BLP. There should be perhaps a half dozen to no more than a dozen high quality select bits of "trivial" information that would actually be of interest to the majority of readers. So select several "good" ones, and dump the rest into the dustbin of history. Additional items should be proposed and discussed on the talk page, and added or substituted in, only with the consensus of the editors. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 18:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.