Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara J. McMorrow

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:15, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara J. McMorrow

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Non-notable county level politician. Sourcing is very weak, her biography on the county website a local newspaper article. Nothing that would pass WP:POLITICIAN Rusf10 (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 05:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 05:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete another hyperlocal New Jersey politician, four sources, all related to her political career; not independently notable. SportingFlyer (talk) 07:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. County freeholder is not a position that confers an automatic notability freebie on every person who's ever held it, but this article is not sourced well enough to get her over WP:NPOL #2 as the subject of significant press coverage. Bearcat (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Monmouth County Freeholder directors Djflem (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Mrs. McMorrow was only the second woman in the history of the county to hold the position of Director of the Board of Chosen Freeholders." per "Barbara J. McMorrow - Committeewoman". Township of Freehold. Retrieved 24 February 2018.

Wikipedia:Deletion policy, WP:BEFORE or WP:PRESERVE should prevail here.Djflem (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Being the second woman to hold an otherwise non-notable office is not in and of itself an automatic notability freebie that exempts a woman from having to be the subject of the same amount of media coverage as anybody else in that role would have to show to qualify for an article — even being the first woman to hold an otherwise non-notable role wouldn't automatically exempt a woman from having to be well-sourced. If holding that role had simultaneously made her the first or second woman to hold political office in the entire United States, then that would be something — but merely being the first or second woman to hold office within one particular, not inherently notable government body, when hundreds or thousands of women preceded her in other political roles, is not a notability boost over and above her other colleagues. Bearcat (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The cite was to clarify the validity of the redirect, which would be appropriate, not to make a claim.Djflem (talk) 14:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Questions to nominator and others regarding Delete

What is the response to proposed alternative to deletion if you still think the article should be deleted instead. Please elaborate why.Djflem (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The "notes" column in a list of officeholders is not supposed to contain full-on biographical quasi-articles — if a person doesn't qualify to have their own standalone article, then the list that includes their name does not get to include all of a standalone article's potential content about them as a substitute for the lack of a standalone article. The column is only supposed to contain extremely basic notes on the order of "died in office", not extended biographies. Bearcat (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A total lack of notability. A search for Barbara J. McMorrow]] would bring up the list, we don't need a redirect or merge here. There are also a ton of non-notable articles about minor New Jersey politicians. SportingFlyer (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Holding a small county-level office does not confer notability. Reywas92^Talk 21:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete She is a local politician with nothing to show that she has actual significance. This is not "Wikipedia of minor elected officials of New Jersey", although some editors seem to have tried to turn it into such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Monmouth County Freeholder directors as a plausible search term. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 05:14, 3 March 2018 (UTC).[reply]

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