Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baizuo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Baizuo[edit]

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Page is about a non-notable slang term in a non-English language. PeterTheFourth (talk) 06:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah for sure, let's do this!----損齋 (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, please also delete Akse, the same thing. I created them. Thanks a lot my friends----損齋 (talk) 07:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

* Just to clarify, as the creator of this page do you support deleting or merging it? Or were you being sarcastic? Karl.i.biased (talk) 02:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per nom. RelaxedTim (talk) 11:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets GNG with the numerous sources on the article already and a couple more I just found:

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2017/05/20/6250348.html

http://beta.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-trump-public-opinion-20171109-story.html

http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000477/white-left-the-internet-insult-the-west-has-gotten-wrong

These are mostly english language sources, I do not know where to search for Chinese news, except for the wenxuecity one which was linked from another site. Many pages come up when searching for "白左" but I can't verify the reliability of any of them because I don't speak Chinese. Pinguinn 🐧 13:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pinguinn: Perhaps it would be better suited to wikitionary. Policy is that wikipedia is not a dictionary, even for words used in news articles. PeterTheFourth (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems wiktionary:白左 already exists. We seem to have many articles about poltical pejoratives, including Cuckservative, Libtard, Vichy Republican, and Bernie Bro. To shape the article along those lines we'd need a lot more detailed analysis and history, which I do not think can be done without finding Chinese-language sources. I agree though that the article as written right now is a dictionary definition. Pinguinn 🐧 14:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep The slang is clearly notable seeing the ammount of sources in non-mandarin languages. Here on Wikipedia we have articles for both recently-coined words/phrases (please, see: Category:Words coined in the 2010s, as well as for political pejoratives (please, see the post by Pinguinn) so your explanation really does not hold. Also, I really don't want to bring this into discussion, but I checked the nominator's contributions, and they are limited exlussively to the topic of modern left wing-right wing debate in the United States (and England) with all of his contributions overwhelmingly supporting one side of this "debate". He already made a variety of false statements in his explanations for the edits he made on this very article, claiming, for example, that he was reverting the article to last good version by removing the chunks this article had since it was created, and stuff like that. He was also warned several times for making unsourced PoV contributions to the articles from the category I mentioned, which makes me question the user's integrity and impartiality.

P.S. About the article's quality, I am actually in agreement with Pinguinn, the article is too small. However, seeing how this phenomenon is clearly significant, I'd think we should at least ask the original contributor whether he/she can contribute some more to the article. I myself do speak Mandarin, but I am only A2 and I struggle to understand what's written in the articles Baidu returns to me when I search for this term. Karl.i.biased (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was being neutral. Sorry I did not express my intention clearly.----損齋 (talk) 02:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@損齋: I believe that Karl.i.biased was calling me biased, not you. Your behaviour has been good, and I don't think anybody would object to it. PeterTheFourth (talk) 07:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Regressive left, of which it's only a minor variation. The present article isn't long, so there won't be any loss of information during the merge. (Libtard should probably merge too.) Timmyshin (talk) 06:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see that being productive at all. Do we have a reliable source which directly connects this term to "regressive left"? Piling neologisms onto each other based on OR seems like it's just creating more problems. Grayfell (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a source, but on Chinese Wikipedia "Baizuo" is a redirect to (the Chinese version of) "regressive left". Timmyshin (talk) 08:24, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, fair enough. I think we would need sources to do the same here, though. Grayfell (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:55, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Abstrakt (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For reasons, presumably? PeterTheFourth (talk) 23:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete--Per nom.None of the keep/redirect arguments are policy-based.Winged Blades^Godric 09:41, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I have heard this word used a couple of times by people, and also printed in one magazine (环球人物 Global People). I'm not sure if it is used in Taiwan though. American and German politics seem to permeate into every country now, especially since Trump. The sources are good too - Open Democracy, Die Welt, Global Times etc. The page could do with a cleaning up though. -。。。 I have just searched it on Baidu and it has 1,230,000 hits. Although it is also the name of an unpopular novel. Earliest sources seem to be around 2014 or 2015. Generally mention Angela Merkel (another term: 白左圣母 could be in reference to her, literally 'white left holy mother', to refer to leaders who naively invite Muslim immigrants to migrate into a country), hypocrisy, The Economist magazine, and lots of jokes. One link just talks about Mark Zuckerberg apparently wanting privacy around his new mansion. It seems to have taken off as a term. I don't think its actually used by printed publications though except when directly referring to the term as used on the internet. Poiuytre (talk) 11:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 07:09, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This term is more often used for "the white left" in Western countries in general. I guess someone translated it from Germany even though the term is used for a lot of politicians in English speaking countries etc. I will try to make it better and look for coverage in English speaking countries. I can't do that now. But probably tomorrow.--DerSpatz (麻雀) (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Version I read had quite some reliable sources and native speakers confirmed the topic. Pass3456 via mobile.
Keep and expand per all the RS and notable, accurate usage. --DHeyward (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.