Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aztlan Underground

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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aztlan Underground

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Three album entries at AllMusic and none have reviews. Same at Reverb Nation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete NN, Run of the mill band article. Wikipedia:Bringers of Darkness. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 04:30, 20 March 2018 (UTC)~~.[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:27, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete / Weak Delete~~ (see comments below). A band that has been making culturally-relevant music for almost 30 years, but I'm sorry to say that they have attracted little notice in their lengthy history. The article states that they have been mentioned in several newspapers and magazines, but those are typically concert listings and name-drops within lists of similar bands. They have appeared in Los Angeles Times on several occasions but usually as brief mentions within articles that are actually about the scene that they came from. They have indeed been nominated for awards ([1]), which gets them kind of close to WP:NBAND #8, but not enough. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:41, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete per nomination and comments above.~~ Reluctantly changing vote to Weak keep. The sources supporting notability still barely, if at all, meet WP:ARTIST. For instance, a few of Michig's sources quote duplicated text, some others are mere mentions in lists, and so on. As to duffbeerforme's sources: The pdf file from learcenter is not accessible, the website itself presumed MIA; another is a duplicate of Michig's, the only truly valueable mention in the media I can see; the discog list is totally unimportant; and The Village Voice article is offline. No, the bits do not "add up" but, still, the benefit of the doubt is given for this is a band whose modest claim to fame was before the internets conquered the world. -The Gnome (talk) 16:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of coverage from a wide range of sources, e.g. [2], [3],[4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. Some of the coverage here is brief, but enough isn't. --Michig (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I detected most of Michig's sources during my own search and would argue that, except for the chapter in It's Not About a Salary, the coverage generally consists of name-drops of this band as an example band within the music scene that is actually being discussed in the respective text. I would not consider this to be significant coverage of the band itself, but they could be a contender for WP inclusion based on these several brief mentions in books. Therefore I have changed my original vote above to "Weak Delete". ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Their early years are not the best years for online coverage but there is more than above. They are often name checked as an example of mexican rap.

The Encyclopedia of Native Music above (Michigs first) is good

This is a good source.

This (warning pdf) essay from American Quarterly gives them decent coverage, paints them as significant.

Those three alone seem good enough for GNG

this might be OK

Kun, Josh, THE DECLINE OF EAST L.A. CIVILIZATION r, Village Voice

Writes a bit about them in his review of some compilations including Sociedad=Suciedad.

D3 Entertainment looks like it could be considered an important label for WP:MUSIC [14].

All the bits add up. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but Improve (Changed Vote) - Michig and Duff have convinced me to change my vote. There is evidence that the band gained notability in their early years, but the article needs to be improved to reflect that. In fact, if the result of this AfD is to keep, the admin can contact my talk page and I will improve the article with the sources found in this debate. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:12, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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