Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austin Carlile

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Shimeru (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Carlile

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Band member whose only notability is from membership of a band and of guest appearances with other bands. WP:MUSIC states "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability". Therefore, I have requested the page for deletion. Qotsa37 (talk) 13:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As article stands now, it is referenced by two links to his myspace and one one-line article that confirms that the band will be releasing something at such a time. If high quality references can be found that support this notability I'd be fine with a keep, but at the moment its a poorly sourced BLP. Syrthiss (talk) 14:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. As a member of the two bands Attack Attack! and Of Mice & Men (band) (which are deemed notable by virtue of having articles here) he meets WP:MUSICBIO #6. I42 (talk) 18:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True, but it is unclear to me that a wikiproject's notability criteria trump wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources and BLP. Syrthiss (talk) 18:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that plenty of sources exist so yes, the article could be tagged and/or improved right now, but I see no reason to delete. I42 (talk) 07:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Comment. @I42: True, but Attack Attack! has a page on Wikipedia, and Nick Barham (a page I created) was deleted. If what you're stating was how Wikipedia worked, then Caleb Shomo, Andrew Whiting, Andrew Wetzel, Johnny Franck, and John Holgado would all have separate Wikipedia pages. Qotsa37 (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I have changed the above from 'delete' to 'comment', because you have already recommended deletion in your nomination. I42 (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nick Barham was different because MUSICBIO #6 was not met. According to the guideline, membership of two or more notable bands indicates independent notability. Even though Attack Attack! is considered notable, Austin Carlile is not independently notable by virtue of being a member of that alone. In general, the existence or non-existence of other articles is anyway beside the point - see WP:WAX. I42 (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nick Barham was a member of both Attack Attack! and For All We Know as both bands's screamer. According to your side of the argument, Barham's page should have never been deleted, because both of the bands he was previously in were notable. They have both released full-length studio albums, Attack Attack!'s being Someday Came Suddenly, and For All We Know's being We're About To Change. Qotsa37 (talk) 16:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - For All We Know is not considered notable. We seem to be repeating the discussion already had at Talk:Nick Barham. I42 (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 14:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per I42. Being a part of two independently notable bands satisfies WP:MUSICBIO. Jujutacular ^T · C 01:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per I42. Clearly passes WP:MUSICBIO by being part of two notable bands. If it was deleted, which band would he be redirected to? It wouldn't make sense to delete. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

but austin is no longer a member of either band. my suggestion is that he should be redirected to aa! because he released 2 albums with them, as opposed to om&m, who only released one. Qö₮$@37 (talk) 17:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter whether he is still in those bands - he was, and notability is not temporary. I42 (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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