Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attack on Belgorod

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There's no consensus at this time. I recommend re-starting this discussion at a later time once the actual importance (or lack thereof) of this event in the context of the war as a whole can be better evaluated. Sandstein 11:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on Belgorod

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WP:NOTNEWS. Not every incident in this war needs a separate article, and this one so far is just a minor issue (it may be the start of something major, but then we can create an article once this is established). It's only reported on by Tass, not independently verified, and one or a few shells fired and 4 people injured is not really a lot when seen against the scale of this war. Fram (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Redirect it to 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. I agree with the nominator that it's a minor issue right now and not every incident needs a separate article. Mbilalwiki (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine as per WP:TOOSOON. It could be significant enough for an article at some point but right now there's not enough to warrant it's own article. Suonii180 (talk) 17:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: The smartest move we can do right now, is not a notable event.Mr.User200 (talk) 01:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is no clear merge target that I can see. Curbon7 (talk) 02:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Belgorod. 64.82.204.2 (talk) 12:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's true. I would recommend Belgorod (now that I thin of it, it would be nice if someone could actually make a History of Belgorod article in the future) or at least Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, redirect or merge Non-notable. EkoGraf (talk) 17:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC) Striking, changed my mind due to new information. EkoGraf (talk) 11:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it‘s the first time ukrainian forces crossed the border and attacked on russian teritorry. DaSch (talk) 10:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Millerovo air base attack Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 12:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
second of few 64.82.204.2 (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, but that was different. It was artillery. Now it was an airstrike and they crossed the border into russia. DaSch (talk) 13:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which is arguably much less significant than the attack on Belgorod. eduardog3000 (talk) 20:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it‘s a major development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.104.98.157 (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Not every fight needs an article. NavjotSR (talk) 13:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — The article needs to be reassessed for notability by the editors who commented their !vote before the helicopter attack on April 1, as it appears almost every major international RS has an article out about the April 1 attack. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it appears the new attack on April 1 is completely notable. Russia has said Ukraine soldiers crossed the border in a helicopter and conducted an attack and video footage shows a helicopter conducting the attack. This new attack should be the focus of the article, not the event on March 29th. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The April 1 attack has received somewhat more news coverage than the one on 29 March. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: and WP:SNOW. Prior assertions of this being non-notable are obviously outdated. The article in its current state has citations to Reuters, AP News, the Washington Post, and Times of Israel, and a 60-second Google search also shows Al Jazeera and Newsweek. The Newsweek article mentions it was also reported on Voice of America and the BBC. As noted in Newsweek: "It is the first accusation of a Ukrainian air strike on Russian soil since the start of the war on February 24, Reuters reported." That's a major turning point, and the notability is undeniable. -NorsemanII (talk)

Keep if this proves to be a major part of the conflict, if this doesn't prove to be that significant, but still somewhat notable then it should be Merged into some article related to the Ukraine-Russian war (2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine is probably the best the option for merging), if literally nothing happens after this point (which is very unlikely) then Delete. Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose delete the April 1 event has attracted some more significant coverage. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 17:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine per above.--Catlemur (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine as per WP:TOOSOON. We have no reliable sources on this topic for now, especially "Russia says XYZ" is not a reliable source. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine would be the best solution. TH1980 (talk) 04:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and put a separate section about this attack in the main article. If this event becomes significant to the conflict later on, then that would be the only time this would be spun off as a separate article. Vida0007 (talk) 09:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and change title per talk page discussion. EkoGraf (talk) 11:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per talk, but I think we need to clean up a little this article. Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 12:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Significant attack with the breadth of coverage to prove it. Zoozaz1 (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article describes an explosion in Belgorod caused by an unknown actor, not an attack on Belgorod. maclean (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, video, Russia, and the US confirmed two helicopters attacked the oil place in Belgorod. Ukraine just denies the helicopters are theirs. I don’t think they are denying helicopters attacking, just that they don’t own them. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, we can write a proper article once the sources allow for more than "some explosions happened and we don't know who did it". 15 (talk) 18:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is an important event as it is one of the biggest strikes Ukraine has launched in Russia to date. Arbutus the tree (talk) 11:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a major development of the moment. Maybe it can be merged in the future, maybe it will grow. Greg (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This was an incredibly important event in terms of the way, as it marks the first time in the war that the Ukranians took the fight in Russian territory. However, it should be restructured to make light in that context, such as something like 'Belogrod Raid' Jspace727 (talk) 05:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as we usually keep articles on 'spillover' attacks. Although Russia is the agressor state, this is only the second reported attack on Russian soil. JECE (talk) 13:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Arbutus --Tensa Februari (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I change my mind, this is one of few incidents in Russia that may have to do with the invasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawsongfg (talk • contribs)
Keep Currently geolocation by Conflict Intelligence Team says that it was a Russian friendly fire attack, which does not decrease its notability. Boud (talk) 15:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.