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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 11:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ateaa Tina[edit]

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raging advert about a person who doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSICIAN as of yet. CUPIDICAE💕 15:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First, Ateaa Tina, a singer/vocalist of 20 years experience meets the musician criteria.. She has albums, plus she has worked with legendary Ghanaian artistes like Daddy Lumba and Esther Amoako.https://music.apple.com/us/album/bubra/1554266363 Secondly, the article does in no way advertise or promote the artist. I am not affiliated or associated to Ateaa Tina, who is a recognized brand in Ghana[1]. All the article talks about is her works in the music industry, career, early life and personal life.. It will be very unfair to delete the article. Mellowdeaous (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Hit360 https://www.hitz360.com/remembering-daddy-lumbas-sensational-backing-vocalist-ateaa-tina/. Retrieved 17 December 2020. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  • Delete who she has worked with has no bearing on notability on Wikipedia. The sources are weak to very weak. YouTube and Instagram have no significance as sources.Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   17:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but @Velella you want it deleted because you are ignorant about the artist.. Ateaa Tina is well known in Ghana for her influence in the music industry with albums to her credit. She went on a musical hiatus for about 15 years, that is why there are few sources.. Also, in the 21st century, social media can be used as quality source..I also provided three other website sources. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mellowdeaous (talk • contribs) 18:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - telling another editor that they are ignorant is hardly going to win you any friends or support!. I won't take it personally but merely note that notability on Wikipedia does not depend on editors "knowing" about the subject. Rather the reverse. Editors rely on seeing reliable and independent sources discussing the subject. The lack of such sources is what lead to my view on the article.  Velella  Velella Talk   19:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Velella Sorry if I sounded rude, but I meant you don't know much about Ghanaian artistes so it is easy for you to make that decision. Jyst because there aren't much written about her on the internet doesn't mean she isn't a notable artiste. It will be very unfair to delete the article. Mellowdeaous (talk) 20:36, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I'm also going to have to go with delete for this. I can't find any sources discussing her or reviewing her music aside from the Hit360 piece and a scam ebook site that promises to let me download an ebook that shows what Daddy Lumba's backup singer looks like now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Can't find anything by way of reliable sources that cover her Dexxtrall (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please there are five reliable sources that cover her: Hitz360.com, Ghanaslayers.com, Nanacady.com, itunes, Youtube. Please check well! Thank you. Mellowdeaous (talk) 20:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please why are they not reliable sources? I have seen thousands of articles on wikipedia with such sources like these.. It will be very harsh to delete it Mellowdeaous (talk) 03:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC) Also, this is my first article I have created on wikipedia, ad I intend to write as many as I can.. Please have mercy as this is my first time.. I will try to make it better. Pleeeeaaase... Mellowdeaous (talk) 03:34, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellowdeaous: This is not how things go around here. Begging will not change anyone's minds. I am sorry, but she is not a notable topic as of now. She can have her article if there's multiple reliable sources. I don't know about the first three sites you named, but itunes and youtube are not reliable because 1) they are not independent of the subject, also itunes is a retail site, 2) anyone can edit youtube. So that's why they are unreliable. And if "there aren't much written about her on the internet", then she's not notable (unless you have print coverage). Calling your fellow editors ignorant doesn't help though, and it is not nice. Neither is the "reason" (which is not a reason, actually) that you have seen thousands of articles with sources like these. If they are sourced to those sites, they will most likely go to Afd as well. Don't worry, we will get those sites... eventually. By the way, read these: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, WP:SOURCE. Good luck to Ateaa and thank you for dropping by! Regards, GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - while the notability of this backup vocalist may seem obscure at first glance because she is "only" a backup singer from Ghana, West Africa, she is notable as a featured African female singer. For WP's purposes, "fame & fortune" does not equate to WP:N. See this article which states the following: Adaka Tea, which features Ateaa Tina, was released in 2003 from the album, “Bubra”. The song is referred to as "one of the most popular Daddy Lumba songs of all time." That tells us notability is there, and all we need to do is find the sources. I'm of the mind that this BLP is notable per WP:NPOSSIBLE, and because of the fact that she qualifies as a major contributor to a hit song, among many others. Atsme 💬 📧 12:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, ghanaslayers is not even close to being an RS, that whole thing is a grand total of 3 sentences and is just a lyrics site (and a copyright violation on their end.) And it says literally nothing about the subject other than that single name drop. CUPIDICAE💕 14:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so...have you researched Newspaper archives for that country, or do they have such a thing so we can see what recognition she was given over the years? Is what you're saying basically that, despite her being a major contributor to popular songs as a female back-up vocalist for a popular male singer, who is notable enough to have his own article, that she isn't notable enough for a WP article because she is not as "famous" as the "star singer"?? Is that what you're saying? I don't understand why you want this BLP deleted because we do have readers who are interested in seeing the "team" that made some of these song popular - be it in their country or globally. Certainly you realize that back in the day, women simply didn't get recognition, and that as WP editors, we apply common sense to our PAGs (and sometimes IAR) to determine if a BLP, such as this one, is verifiably DUE. She played an integral role in the "star's" popular songs, which certainly warrants an article, considering what all is involved. I couldn't help but compare it to athletes who simply showed up for a major league game - all they have to do is qualify - or maybe play in one or two games - and that warrants a separate article. If you're telling me that there is absolutely, positively no chance we will find sources that we can cite that will satisfy WP:V and/or corroborate that she was actually a recorded artist (back-up vocalist) on any of the songs that were considered the singer's hits, then I will agree with you, and will change my position. At this point in time, I don't agree that is the case - but I'm certainly open-minded to it if you can provide a convincing argument. Atsme 💬 📧 18:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously I researched it otherwise I wouldn't have nominated it and come to the conclusion she isn't notable. BLP is a policy and isn't trumped by the fact that Wikipedia by and large is male dominated. We need articles on notable women, not any woman just because she exists. CUPIDICAE💕 14:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to draft: If they do not meet notability criteria they are likely to get media coverage this year given they have an album coming out which may make them notable enough. John Cummings (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why AFD is suddenly being inundated with dratification !votes. BLPs should not be draftified if they are not notable in hopes of future notability. CUPIDICAE💕 15:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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