Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assel Tasmagambetova

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The result was no consensus. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 22:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assel Tasmagambetova

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Not independent notable from her father Imangali Tasmagambetov and husband Kenes Rakishev. Lack of independent in-depth coverage. The article is mostly not about her, but promotion of philanthropy by this group.

Note the ruwiki entry was created by the same creator on the same day, so is not a sign of interest in the topic. Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 09:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 09:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 09:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would a Russian speaker be able to assess the quality / non-reliability of the Russian language sources? Furius (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 10:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There's nothing in English language RS to indicate notability. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
keep range of Russian language sources indicate notability Furius (talk) 11:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The first source is a kind of legal profile, not an RS. The other sources are good. It's important to note that the sources describe the Saby Foundation activities. There is little info about the subject. My opinion is that most sources are good and independent, but they are not describing the subject directly. Dr.KBAHT (talk) 22:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to answer all questions above. The first sourse is one of biggest informational agencies in Kazakhstan zakon.kz (can be translated as law.kz but it is not a legal sourse). Most of sources describe not only Sabi Foundation but also Tasmagambetova's activity as the founder of Sabi Foundation because she is known as a philanthropist and her activity is connected tight with the Foundation. Her activity is not only connected with her husband, also there are a lot of events where she gather resources by herself. For example, [1] (observer.com). There is a lack of English sources, off course. But there are more for Aselle Tasmagambetova. I think that it is right transliteration of her name because all foreign sources use it, and the article can be renamed according to it. Mheidegger (talk) 12:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - that does bring in a tonne of new sources [2], [3], [4]; [5], [6], [7], [8] (says she received a major Kazakh award, but is self-published source); also her linkedin page (which isn't an RS, but probably is a good indication that Aselle Tasmagambetova would be a better name for the article). Furius (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources rather prove the point she isn't independently notable. In [9] there is a single namedrop in a list of patrons ("none of the evening’s patrons or patronesses—Jonathan and Somers Farkas, Aselle Tasmagambetova, Domenico Vacca and Eva Lorenzotti among them"). [10] and [11] are a regurgiated press release on Tasmagambetova and her husband Rakishev opening a school, much of the content being on Rakishev's business and philanthropy (including "In 2002 Kenges Rakishev founded the Saby Charitable Foundation together with his wife Aselle Imangalievna Tasmagambetova"). [12] reads like a press release, and covers a statement from the foundation on seal conservation. [13] is titled "The year 2020: Kenes Rakishev and Aselle Tasmagambetova presented the Saby annual report", again tying the whole thing to her husband's business, and this coverage is not independent. [14] is from the Saby foundation itself. There is little that in depth on Tasmagambetova herself, it is all activities in which she is present in the context of the philanthropy wing of the family business.--Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 05:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My tentative opinion would be that if the philanthropic activity of the foundation is notable, then I think she is notable, since she and not Rakishev is the President of the Saby foundation. I grant that her activities in that sphere are very closely intertwined with those of Rakishev, but that is also true of (e.g.) Bill and Melinda Gates. So, I don't think this is a case of claiming that notability is inherited... and it seems to me that it would be inappropriate therefore to merge her into Rakishev's article. But I grant that the source material that seems to be available is not great; perhaps it makes more sense to have an article on the Saby Foundation? Furius (talk) 15:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. There is a number of sources in English (e.g [15]) and Russian about her activities, some of them mentioned by Furius above. But I also have some concerns about history of creation of this page (and some other related pages) possibly by paid contributor(s), as well as about the sources that are mostly weak. On a balance though, I would be inclined to keep because there is a substantial non-trivial information about the person, it is mostly sourced and does show that the person is notable per WP:GNG in my opinion. My very best wishes (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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