Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asmaa Mahfouz

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Asmaa Mahfouz[edit]

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Fails WP:BLP1E, no coverage outside of that one event. --Nableezy 16:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. --Nableezy 16:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge relevant information into Egyptian_Revolution_of_2011 and delete.--v/r - T P 16:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say keep, because she figures to be one of the key people in the Arab world protests, like Mohamed Bouazizi or Wael Ghonim. --bender235 (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
keep notability provided by references. Article is expandable and person is notable.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong keep notability provided by references. Article is expandable and person is notable.-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per WP:BLP1E: If the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial and well-documented—as in the case of John Hinckley, Jr., who shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981—a separate biography may be appropriate. Arbeh (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the exception to BLP1E quoted above is not in any way satisfied here. A number of columns have been written crediting this young woman's vlog as being a spark in the revolt. To try to compare that to John Hinckley, a person who was attempted to assassinate a sitting US president, who has been the subject of thousands of books and articles, is so outlandish that I cannot understand how it is brought up. The fact remains that all of the references in the article, including several that are not reliable sources such as blog entries, do not cover this woman outside of coverage of the event for which she is notable for. If there were some coverage from before these recent protests, be it in English or Arabic, then BLP1E would not apply, but as it is it certainly does. The references do not demonstrate that she is notable, they demonstrate that she is known as a result of a single event. I understand why people who like what she has done would want to keep the article, I just have a different view. I dont think having a BLP about oneself is a good thing, especially when there are not many people actually watching the article. It is an open invitation for any number of people, be they random vandals or opponents who wish malign the subject, to insert all kinds of malicious information into the number 1 google result for that person's name.
I would like to respond to the other keep. If Mahfouz is "one of the key people" in the protests, you would expect to see her at least mentioned in a decent chunk of the stories about these protests. She is mentioned in less than .5% of the stories that show up in google news about the Egyptian protests (109/45000+). nableezy - 00:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep surely more that one event and per all the other keep above. IQinn (talk) 11:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which other event? nableezy - 20:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you even have a clue about this story? She is an activist since years. IQinn (talk) 23:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And in which other event has she been covered? Asking if I have a clue is not the correct response to that question. If you would like to claim that she has received coverage for activities besides these protests you should provide a source for it. Just saying "but it's true" isn't much of an argument. nableezy - 14:22, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_user_ldate=2009&as_user_hdate=2010&q=%22Asmaa+Mahfouz%22 Arbeh (talk) 23:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

None of those results are covering her, they are simply quoting her. I appreciate the work you have put into this article, however the standards for biographies of living people are higher than for other articles. There needs to be actual coverage of her outside of the coverage that centered around the "one event" that the coverage is focused on. nableezy - 00:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She is an activist since years with multiple events as Arbeh's link shows. Not just one person that made one video one day. Wikipedia:What is one event, WP:BIO1E She has been credited for her work sparking the revolution that overthrown the regime and high ranking reliable sources have written about her. There are already more than enough sources to write a quality biography and the coverage is extensive and persisted. She is in important figure in this ongoing BIG "event". IQinn (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a question of the number of the sources, or even the quality of sources, or whether or not an article can be written about this person. It can be, I acknowledge that, but that isn't the criteria for articles on living people on Wikipedia. This is clearly going one way, and I dont expect for this to close as anything but a keep, but we have these policies for a reason and not one person has actually addressed the issue with this article. All of the coverage of this person has been in the context of the "event". You cannot say that coverage has "persisted", it's been barely a month since the protests began. You cannot even say that she is a central figure in the topic. I dont really mind if this article is kept, so long as those commenting here with such vigor watch the article and ensure that it meets the quality standards for a BLP. But for some reason I doubt this bio will have 5 watchers in 5 months. nableezy - 04:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One month? The struggle goes for some say since 2005. Asmaa Mahfouz is one of the founder of the April 6 Youth Movement in 2008 almost 3 years ago. No offence everybody is welcome to start an Afd discussion and WP:BIO1E and Wikipedia:Wikilawyering sucks anyway. She is a central figure in this and i highly doubt that this BLP will only have 5 visitors a month but feel free to renominate in a year if so. I am convinced that this won't be the case. IQinn (talk) 06:35, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You did not understand what I wrote. But thats all right, nableezy - 07:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I dispute that :) IQinn (talk) 07:15, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep acknowledged iconic leader of a movement which brought down mubarak.[1]--Wikireader41 (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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