Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlee Simpson's Forthcoming Album

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Hammer/Snow, whatever. Violates NFA, as in the non-existent albm section of WP:NFF. Same issue applies. TravellingCari 05:44, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ashlee Simpson's Forthcoming Album[edit]

Tagged g2 as a test page, hangon placed. Clearly not a test page, but the title is definitely WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL violation. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. It's not a notability issue, it's an accuracy issue: this stuff is made up. Everyking (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~Speedy delete If Everyking can provide a bit of documentation as to why he thinks this is a hoax, I'll gladly upgrade to speedy. Assuming it's a good-faith bit of stuff fed by gossip blogs, I'll argue for deletion under WP:CRYSTAL... unsourced speculation about the future.Kww (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How can I provide documentation for that? I say it's made up because it hasn't been mentioned or reported anywhere else. I can't provide a source to show that there is no source. Everyking (talk) 01:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Don't get me wrong ... we may disagree on a lot of stuff, but that wasn't intended as an attack. Most of these things are blog repetitions, which takes them out of speedy-land. They are poorly sourced, as opposed to conscious efforts to deceive. With Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autumn Goodbye, I was able to show that the things the article was quoting for sources were actually quoting Wikipedia, and that the Wikipedia article was probably where the rumor started, so I asked for deletion on the basis of hoax. The more I look at this, the more I tend to agree with you ... I can't find hits for things like "Heartbeat" "Ashlee Simpson" or Sound a little like the pop rock from her first two albums, the alternative rock and power pop from her second album, with the 80s electro-rock from Bittersweet World, both of which I would expect if this article was quoting bad sources as opposed to made up out of whole cloth.Kww (talk) 02:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Convinced.Kww (talk) 03:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- To show you how reliable this is: There are 84 Ghits for '"Like C'mon" "ashlee simpson"', and not one of them mentions that being the name of her new song (admittedly, I didn't look at every one of them, but I looked at the first 20 or so and the last 20 or so). Corvus cornix_talk 01:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - And this search is telling. Corvus cornix_talk 01:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - My belief is that this user isn't even repeating speculation from blogs or forums; I think it's all the original invention of this particular user. Notice this article was created without assigning a name to the album, but mere minutes later, this user had decided the album's name was "Full Circle", adding that title to the discography section of the main Ashlee article. [1] This is simply a case of an overactive imagination, and I see no need to go through the whole AfD process. Everyking (talk) 01:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Time to bring out the trusty hammer. RockManQ (talk) 01:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Upgraded to Speedy due to likely hoax. RockManQ (talk) 21:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be ridiculous to delete this article because the album doesn't have a title; that's a highly questionable basis to delete an article, whereas in this case the fact that the entire article is the fictional invention of one user would seem to be a very strong and uncontroversial basis for deletion. In the future, there may actually be information to fill an article before the title is available, and deleting this article on the grounds that it lacks a title would prevent re-creation of the article at that point. Everyking (talk) 01:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want other reasons...:WP:CRYSTAL, no vertiabilty, take your pick. Besides, it can be created later when it does have a title and reliable sources to back it up. Or if reliable sources can be found to give it accurate info, keep it and put in the article. However, it doesn't look that way. So I would say you could choose WP:HAMMER, as a rational for deletion. You don't have to like my opinion on this guideline (not policy), and you don't have to follow it if you don't want to. RockManQ (talk) 02:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if that was totally confusing, I typed in a really confusing way. RockManQ (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And also if it's a pure hoax, I would kindly upgrade to speedy, and it's starting to look that way now. RockManQ (talk) 02:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Completely unsourced. It may be possible to write an article on an unnamed, forthcoming album, if there is sufficient buzz in reliable sources to cite it. This doesn't have a single link. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 02:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fr33kman (talk) 03:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If there's so little information that not even a title is possible, it's clearly premature under WP:CRYSTAL and WP:HAMMER. 23skidoo (talk) 05:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it's often possible to write a great deal about an album before a title is revealed. That's what happened with her previous album, Bittersweet World, and there are a number of other examples, past and present. The problem with this article is that it is a hoax. Everyking (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete snowhammer. JuJube (talk) 07:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for all the above reasons. I couldn't find sources in a 30 second gsearch -- they may be out there, but I'm not willing to invest more time than that on an unnamed album. Put what's able to be sourced into Ashley's article, delete the rest. --Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- There isn't anything to add to Ashlee's article, because it's all fictional. Everyking (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:HAMMER. Bart133 ^{t c @ How's my driving?} 23:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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