Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashira Blazer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus seems to have coalesced that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON without meeting the WP:GNG hurdle at this time. Happy to userfy a draft copy if someone wants to hang onto it in case she becomes notable in the future—just let me know. Go Phightins! 11:18, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ashira Blazer[edit]

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Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and does not meet WP:NSCHOLAR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I think Blazer meets the academic notability criteria on several counts. Firstly she has had "significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources"--she has an outstanding publication record and has discussed the implications of her research & issues facing lupus patients on CBS News, Salon, Bustle, US News and World Report, and other high-profile publications. She has also discussed issues relating to diversity in research and medicine in the Wall Street Journal and other outlets. In addition, she has received prestigious national awards and honors, including the 40 under 40 Leaders in Health Award from the National Minority Quality Forum and the American College of Rheumatology Distinguished Fellow Award. I'm sure there's more, this is just from a cursory review of her google news/google scholar hits and Wikipedia page. Philepitta (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Philepitta can you provide some evidence of this "outstanding publication record"? From my research it seems to be completely absent. --hroest 04:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Although Blazer is primarily a physician, she has also published extensively in peer-reviewed journals. I think the media coverage of Blazer demonstrates her notability as a physician, scientific communicator, and academic. Philepitta (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Philepitta publishing by itself does not make her notable, her publication also need to have a demonstrable impact on the field. While it is hard being a physician and publishing, that by itself does not make a person notable. The citations of her articles are in the low double digits in a high citation field. So the impact is not demonstrated -- maybe in a few years time it will become more clear whether she has a lasting impact (see WP:TOOSOON). --hroest 05:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Philepitta, I agree her broad impact has been demonstrated..--Pharos (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Philepitta above. In addition to her awards, a quick Google search shows Blazer and her work have been covered by a range of high-profile media outlets. Megs (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per all above, Although, there is no in-depth coverage as per nom but there seem to have different sources and achievements to claim his notability. Gritmem (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for WP:UPE. MER-C 19:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - please note that none of the above keep !votes are based on policy. With a high citation count of 15, hardly meets "significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources"Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment clearly her publication record does not pass NPROF so she will have to pass other criteria such as GNG or through her awards. However, upon closer inspection these awards are much less impressive than presented: the so-called "2015 American College of Rheumatology Distinguished Fellow Award.[9]" is actually a local NYU award that is a non-notable award from a single department. Similarly, the "National Minority Quality Forum" seems to be a non-notable organization, the "Scientist Development Award" is actually a "CAREER DEVELOPMENT BRIDGE FUNDING AWARD: K BRIDGE" which is clearly for new investigators and does not confer notability and the last award "Third Coast International Audio Festival" is clearly misleading since she simply appeared on a podcast. Honestly, I cannot find a single criterion of WP:NPROF that is checked here and none of the posters above --hroest 19:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment, I believe you are in error about the distinguished fellowship award. It appears that she did receive a distinguished fellowship award from the American College of Rheumatology. That's a fairly distinctive award, given out to only ten clinical and research fellows annually. See here ^[1] for a summary of the award, and here ^[2] for ACR's list of previous award winners which confirms that she received the award from ACR in 2015. It is true that the reference in the article links to the NYU webpage where they list her as one of their members who received the award. I do not know the soecifics of ACR, but other specialty societies often allow Distinguished Fellows to place DF<society acronym> after their name (early in my career, I forgot to add "FACP" after the name of a physician, and it was treated as if I had referred to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth as "Lizzie Two Sticks", that's how seriously some docs take it). However, no other sources seem to refer to her as Ashira Blazer, MD, DFACR, so this may not apply. Nonetheless, this is a notable accomplishment.

With regards to the K Bridge Award, you can certainly edit it to be more precise, but it is still notable.

And I believe that you are mistaken about the podcast. Dr. Blazer appears to have been a guest on a podcast titled In Those Genes. The episode of the podcast on which she appeared, "Dat Rona" (about COVID-19) was then a winner of the Third Coast Audio Festival competition. I'm not entirely sure how to determine notability here, but this is clearly more than just "appearing on a podcast", since apparently some group (whose importance I do not know) selected the specific episode where she was featured for an annual award.

When vetting awards like this, it is important to dig a bit deeper sometimes. The original author may not have cited the properly, or they may not have made clear the connection between the subject and the award. I'm undecided on this one, but I wanted to clarify the nature of these awards so that we can all make our decisions based on accurate and verifiable information. Hyperion35 (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your digging, I have to admit that indeed some of my initial research was superficial but I dont think the overall picture changes. The American College of Rheumatology award seems to be the most prestigious of the bunch, however this is intended for a fellow in training. While it is selective in nature, it is not enough for NPROF; in a sense the award is not for your accomplishments per se but for potential in the future, so I dont think we can use this to claim notability (see JoelleJay below). Similarly the bridge award is for a person in training, these are often given to early career researchers in training and dont confer notability. For the podcast award it is still not clear what her involvement was and it would be great to have a award justification from the award committee that would mention her. I dont think any of these awards pass WP:NPROF#2 (which specifically *excludes* awards for achievements at graduate level). --hroest 04:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.rheumatology.org/Get-Involved/Awards/ACR-Awards
^ https://www.rheumatology.org/Portals/0/Files/ACR%20Distinguished%20Fellows.pdf

Delete. According to Scopus she is far from meeting NPROF, with only 25 total citations across 6 papers and an h-index of 3. Am I missing something here that actually demonstrates NPROF being met, Philepitta, Pharos, and Megs? Hyperion35, the "Distinguished Fellow Award" is a one-time $1500 award given to people in the 2nd or 3rd year of their first rheumatology training program, which narrows down the field a lot. It is certainly not equivalent to the Master designation, and is also not equivalent to FAC[X], as she would be in the "Fellow in Training" category rather than "Fellow". The rest of the coverage seems to be brief quotes and commentaries by her, and her interview in a non-notable podcast, which was one of 11 winners of a non-notable competition hosted by Third Coast International Audio Festival. JoelleJay (talk) 02:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON, she does not pass any of the bars in WP:NPROF by a long shot. --hroest 04:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not yet notable. She has so far a trivial publication record, and the awards are training awards, not professional honors. The article has vague phrases of. a promotional nature, such as "Blazer looks beyond socioeconomic differences, differences in lifestyles and access to care to better understand the biologically determined differences behind disparate outcomes." which is simply copied intact from the promotional reference given. There are with respectto GNG no independent references at all. This is not a reflection of her--it is not expected that someone at the present stage of her career would be notable. A few Assistant Professors have been found notable, but it is quite rare, unless they have been remarkably lucky in their thesis topic. DGG ( talk ) 00:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Her GS citation record is not remotely sufficient to pass WP:Prof in this very high citation field. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Delete as seems to be WP:TOOSOON to me. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article can be improved further, added citations on science communication & diversity activism but may be WP:TOOSOON although she has been awarded recognition and consulted and is a borderline pass for these taken together forWP:GNG.

Kaybeesquared (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some policy reasons and valid sources would be helpful to your argument WP:Crystal ball. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Delete, WP:TOOSOON for her academic work to have the necessary impact. And despite being puffed up with minor awards, none of them convey notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON for this assistant professor. I'm not seeing many citations at all of her papers, and the awards are early career ones, awarded for promise rather than career impact. So little sign of WP:NPROF. The mentions in the sources in the article are all glancing, and unconvincing for GNG. I'm willing to make combined cases for notability, but I'd want to see something that was reasonably close to satisfying multiple criteria. I'm not seeing it here. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] ttps://www.rheumatology.org/Portals/0/Files/ACR%20Distinguished%20Fellows.pdf

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