Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asasey Hotel attack

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The result was redirect‎ to 2019 timeline of the Somali Civil War without prejudice against a selective merge. With only one Keep view after 25 days, it's clear consensus is against having this as a standalone page, and no valid objections raised against redirecting it. Owen× ☎ 05:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asasey Hotel attack

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Fails WP:NEVENT no lasting coverage. Cannot find any coverage of the event after July except for trivial one line mentions in articles discussing other attacks. Closest thing I could find was this: https://www.kormeeraha.com/2021/03/12/canadian-school-renamed-after-hodan-nalayeh/ but it is about a victim more than the attack.

Unfortunately hotel attacks are a common incident in Somalia and just aren't very notable. Could be merged into Hodan Nalayeh, al-Shabaab, or the Somali civil war Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism and Somalia. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to 2019 timeline of the Somali Civil War. Or redirect, it's already mentioned there. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and do not merge. Hotel attacks are not a common incident in Somalia just as school shootings are not in the United States, despite what is suggested from news coverage. An attack in which 25+ people are killed is not WP:ROUTINE and there was international news coverage of the attack in global RS including FT, NYT, CNN, AP, BBC, Reuters, etc. More than enough coverage to establish WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:DEPTH, and WP:GNG for WP:NEVENT. Longhornsg (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Longhornsg But not WP:SUSTAINED which is one of the more important aspects in WP:NEVENT. There is nothing after a month. Death toll is not notability, plenty of even higher casualty attacks are not notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Three participants and three different outcomes proposed, the definition of No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have no issue with merging to the timeline article. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources brought up. @PARAKANYAA:: articles are not required to meet GNG and every applicable SNG but GNG or any applicable SNG. This doesn't have lasting consequences, but it does have plenty of coverage in reliable sources.Alien333 ( what I did
why I did it wrong ) 21:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Delete per replies: I'd forgotten about the whole For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking news stories are also considered to be primary sources bit. — Alien333 ( what I did[reply]
why I did it wrong ) 16:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GNG states sources should be secondary. All the sourcing appears to be primary sourcing. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alien333 That is not what NEVENT is. NEVENT is meant to distinguish/help to distinguish events that may suffer from WP:PRIMARYNEWS (since, initially, that's going to be all of the sources). All of the sources here are primary and therefore none contribute to GNG. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By your logic, every single passing events that blows up in the media for two days has "plenty of coverage in reliable sources"; but we clearly don't have an article on every crime that's ever happened. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is just a news story. There is no long-term coverage in secondary sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources found by Longhornsg are all from the time of the event. No WP:LASTING effect to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: User:PARAKANYAA, you have voiced other opinions here. Are you no longer arguing for a Merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am still arguing for a merge/redirect since it's part of the greater event and was discussed within that context. I do not think it is notable outside of that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Just about evenly divided between editors arguing for Deletion and those would be okay with a Merge. I didn't want to relist for a third time but I'd prefer not closing this as No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.