Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arty Froushan

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The result was redirect to Carnival Row. Consensus is that the topic fails notability requirements, but he is mentioned in the target article. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arty Froushan

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One major role in Carnival Row, plus a lack of media notice, isn't enough to satisfy WP:NACTOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Nominating this article for deletion is very short-sighted, Arty is a main character in Carnival Row which attracted over 100,000 pageviews per day, when it was released. The only reason why series 2 has not been released yet is due to filming being halted due of the Covid-19 epidemic. Otherwise he will be extremely notable again to many million viewers. So be patient, don't be rash to delete this article. Let us just wait and see what notability he gains on the release of series 2, otherwise, almost an absolute certainty this article will have to be reinstated.James Kevin McMahon (talk) 06:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He hasn't received any press coverage to speak of, so why would anyone assume another season would change that? (It's also WP:CRYSTALBALL.) The number of page views of Carnival Row is irrelevant, per WP:NOTINHERITED. Finally, even if he has a major part, NACTOR states he needs multiple significant roles. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, the definition of suitable notoriety is at least one article/interview about him, not just a passing mention. I count two interviews within that article, so passes with flying colours. Very odd indeed that this article is even considered for deletion.James Kevin McMahon (talk) 04:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How did you come up with that definition of "suitable notoriety"? Also, interviews are useless for WP:verifiability. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (Per Nom) with WP:ATD of Redirect to Carnival Row: Wikipedia sourcing criteria, especially concerning a BLP, does not include "one article/interview" as an acceptable criteria. WP:Notability (people) states in the lead; For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary. The "Basic criteria" section states; People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject. "One article/interview" is not included. NACTOR adds to the criteria not waters it down. Previous to the current role the subject was just a bit-part actor. I don't even know how to gauge "Almost an absolute certainty", which is subjective, concerning future episodes. It is just too soon at this point. Otr500 (talk) 12:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources are not reliable, didn’t find any secondary sources focused on this subject. Fails both WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Did not see any other programmes this person had a major role in either. Duncan079 (talk) 19:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Carnival Row. Redirects are cheap, and he did have a significant role in the film. But I agree they don't pass either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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