Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aron (singer)

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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Aron (singer)

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Non reliable and trivial mentions in non independent sources. No reliable and independent sources are found about this newbie. No notable awards etc. The article is also very promotional and contains huge number of external links to his YouTube channel. Mar11 (talk) 14:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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• Keep:I think he satisfies the first criteria(Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.) of WP:MUSICBIO.

Allkpop, soompi and kpopstarz are reliable and large website. Some examples of the subject of articles/ news is Aron

Allkpop

1. NU'EST's Aron, ZE:A's Kevin, & LUNAFLY's Sam are the new 'Arirang' radio DJs
2. NU'EST's Aron injures thigh muscle during showcase rehearsal
3. Kye Bum Joo releases MV for "The Ceiling" (ft. Moowoong of Baechigi) starring NU'EST's Aron

Soompi

1. NU’EST Aron Taken to Emergency Room for Acute Enteritis
2. NU’EST Completes “L.O.Λ.E Tour” in Taiwan Without Aron
3. Chad Future Collaborates with NU’EST’s Aron for “Got It Figured Out” Music Video

kpopstarz

1. NU'EST Aron Apologizes for Sexist Comments
2. NU'EST Aron Apologizes Again for Sexist Comments After First Attempt is Deemed Insincere and Sarcastic
3. NU'EST Aron Becomes Radio DJ For the First Time Since Debut
4. Nu'Est Aaron Escaped A Broadcasting Accident

Also, the external link I added are the music video from different artists and Aron does not belong to them so I do not promote his YouTube channel. Since adding those link is acceptable and common is other language edition Wiki. I translated the article from zh wiki and had confused the rule. If it is not acceptable in Eng Wiki, I will remove the links.Cpcam065099 (talk) 18:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Cpcam065099 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

• Delete - I went through all sources again - most are Allkpop/Soompi considered unreliable WP:KO/RS - other references are trivial mentions of the group and give no weight to notability as an individual. Evaders99 (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I had removed all unreliable sources. Do it still have another problems?Cpcam065099 (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. Notability is entirely dependent on NU'EST. His work outside of the group is minimal and trivial; it does not warrant a separate article. ℯxplicit 04:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To discuss whether to merge/redirect to NU'EST per WP:MUSICBIO
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 09:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Do he has the notability as lyricists? According to WP:MUSICBIO#Criteria for composers and lyricists, Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. Aron Has credit for co-writing the lyrics for the song of NU'EST which is notable.Cpcam065099 (talk) 18:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

And, the source examples of kpopstarz I mentioned are independent on NU'EST. Although The article title includes NU'EST, it is more concrete to describe him as many people has same name. The news focused on Aron and just mentioned NU'EST in small portion or none. Multiple reliable sources exist so Subject meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. I had seen other kpop star article. Some just have 2-3 sources so I guess it is acceptable to define multiple in this number.

Besides, I want to ask why the procedure did not meet Wikipedia:Notability#Articles_not_satisfying_the_notability_guidelines?Cpcam065099 (talk) 08:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

• Delete – Trivial, short news like "Aaron Escaped A Broadcasting Accident", "Aron injures thigh muscle during showcase rehearsal" etc. does not make someone notable. Co-writting a few songs for his own band is not notable neither. Snowflake91 (talk) 21:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

There still have other long and non-trivial sources. News:NU'EST Aron Apologizes for Sexist CommentsNU'EST Aron Apologizes Again for Sexist Comments After First Attempt is Deemed Insincere and Sarcastic 뉴이스트 아론, 데뷔 후 첫 라디오 DJ 도전장뉴이스트 아론, 단독DJ 데뷔 100일..'인기 쑥쑥' NU'EST アロン、DJデビュー1周年！全世界どこでも聴けるK-POP伝道師として活躍中！ Magazine:NU’EST　 もっと知りたい！５人の魅力～アロン前篇～NU’EST　 もっと知りたい！５人の魅力～アロン後篇～NU’EST個人インタビュー：5人の王子さまの素顔って？～アロン編①～NU’EST個人インタビュー：5人の王子さまの素顔って？～アロン編②～

Is it not acceptable to add controversy part in wiki? I has seen in other articles but you deleted my edit.Cpcam065099 (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To discuss new links and again whether to redirect to the band's article
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 07:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, I can't see how the article establishes notability independent of his band. Sionk (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
• Strong Delete: Absolutely, positively, NO notability outside of NU'EST. Tibbydibby (talk) 02:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
• Merge: Into NU'EST article as subject is clearly associated with that band and not notable outside it . Not sure why others have not suggested this? YouTooNow (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.