Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arghoslent

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, not notable or verifiable. Thanks/wangi 20:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Arghoslent

Obscure racist metal band, not on allmusic, not on Amazon, article appears to be original research. Guy 09:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep - passes the google test which throws up a couple of interviews and independant reviews. MER-C 09:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Hardly "obscure" with almost 1000 listeners on Last.fm [1]. The band has received 12 reviews on Encyclopaedia Metallum, including 7 just for their newest album [2] and has been covered on notable third-party sources such as Rockdetector [3] and Chronicles of Chaos [4]. Also, I'm pretty sure they have toured US and Europe at some point of their career, but I can't seem to find tour info so that doesn't count. Prolog 10:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Per nom. --Bill.matthews 15:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - Non-notable band, apart from being racist. Wikipedia is not an advertising agency. Google hits don't matter here. --NRS ^T/_M\^B 17:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Gosh, if 1000 last.fm plays and some interviews is all you're looking for, my band could easily have an article! Fails WP:MUSIC utterly. Grandmasterka 22:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. My comment included results of a quick Google search and not a thorough research per WP:MUSIC guideline, but at least I'm not an ostrich. As a Last.fm user, I usually check the artist's page on the aforementioned website, as the site is very widely used and is WP-notable, and also because I'm curious. Is there a specific reason why I shouldn't report the listener count here (and not have my entire comment belittled because of it)? Also, your band seems to have only 424 listeners, despite the fact that it's streamable through the site - unlike Arghoslent, seems to fail the Google test when searching with album titles, and I doubt you are well-known in your own genre, have a 16-year-long career and are a subject of controversy. So what is the reason for comparison? I must also quote myself from the Grand Belial's Key Afd discussion; it's not fair to assume that Allmusic.com and Amazon.com want to cover bands associated with nazism. In fact, I don't think even bigger metal medias and labels want to associate with these bands. As for what they are or what they represent, they seem pretty notable to me. Prolog 08:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Wow, you did your research! My whole point, though, was that I could present a bunch of arbitrary criteria for inclusion if I wanted to get around WP:MUSIC, the agreed upon standard (1000 MySpace friends!) But that still wouldn't make us notable. Grandmasterka 17:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. Like I said, I'm a curious person! That's fair enough, as I do understand my prime arguments; "old, controversial and underground fame" are not supported by WP:MUSIC. Prolog 21:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. As stated, the band is hardly obscure, being that they have shared members with one of the most popular black metal bands of all time, Grand Belial's Key (who, in addition to another well known band, Haggard, are signed to the same label as Arghoslent, Drakkar) and have been covered on notable third-party metal e-zines such as Rockdetector, Maelstrom, and Chronicles of Chaos. They have also accumulated considerable controversy, going so far as to have their record label boycotted. They are a prominent American band in a largely European dominated genre. They have done national tours America and Europe. While they don't sell lots of records or win Grammy's, what metal band does these days? A pretty relevant band in the genre, if you ask me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ep282 (talk • contribs) . _{This is their first edit ever.} Grandmasterka 03:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete per nom, and the band isn't even notable enough to create a proper website... they are currently using a free cjb.net one. - Deathrocker 11:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I fail to see why what they use to host their website has to do with their notability. What about the tons of notable bands that are using a page on MySpace as their main website these days? What about popular bands that don't have an official website altogether? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.246.75 (talk • contribs)
• Strong Keep. 15 year old career, signed on Moribund Records, two full-lengths released by labels, several EPs, covered extensively by metal zines all around (as listed above). If Turisas survived the vote for deletion with having only one full-length album, or if Grand Belial's Key is on here, so should Arghoslent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morrigan Targaryen (talk • contribs)
• Strong Keep. I created this page because I thought they deserved one. A simple, rough outline page on the Metal Archives simply isn't enough. I'm sure there are plenty of other pages on Wikipedia that are just as worthy of deletion for whatever reasons, yet this one gets targeted mainly because the band members are racist? If anything, the band needs an intelligent page such as this to get across what they are about, since most people probably don't like the idea of trawling obscure metal message boards for snippets of information. At least on here, all the info, and links to anything else of relevance, is in one place and people interested can check it out. The article is written in a way so as not to offend people, it simply outlines the bands ideologies and music, if people don't like it, then they don't read it. I didn't create this page to force it down people's throats, I created it to inform those who wished to know. Their fanbase and general popularity on the underground is rock solid and sure, they've attracted a fair amount of criticism and controversy, but who hasn't these days? What's different from Arghoslent singing about Jews to Madonna performing to thousands whilst hung on a crucifix, pretending to be Jesus?

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.