Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argentines in the United Kingdom

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. There's certainly no consensus to delete this article; but equally there is no consensus as to if, and where, it should be merged. A merge discussion on the talk page would appear to be the next logical step. ~ mazca ^talk 07:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Argentines in the United Kingdom[edit]

No indication that the subject is notable, with no coverage in reliable sources cited other than the population figure. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interesting one, because since the rather notable Falklands War, the relationship between Argentina and the UK is important in world politics (and both nations still claim the Falklands). I think there may be a case for "keep" to be made, but personally I'd stop short of that and stick with trim heavily and merge to United Kingdom Census 2001 Ethnic Codes.
Reasoning (for inexperienced Wikipedians): it's verifiable from reliable sources that there are Argentines in the UK, but the phenomenon is not notable enough for its own article (and there's insufficient material available to write a separate article in any case). Outright deletion isn't appropriate because the fact that there are ~6000 Argentines in the UK should certainly be recorded somewhere in Wikipedia.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 22:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It certainly should be recorded, and is so at Foreign-born population of the United Kingdom, Migration to the United Kingdom from the Americas and Latin Americans in the United Kingdom, to name but three articles. I'm not sure how the Falklands War is relevant to this discussion though. I can see how it is to Argentina–United Kingdom relations, but not to migration from Argentina to the UK. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Indeed, and it ought to be mentioned in Ethnic groups of the UK too. I think the Falklands War puts a shadow over anything involving Argentina and the UK, but this might be because I'm old enough for it to have had a big impact on me; let's see what other Wikipedians think.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 23:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm doubtful whether Argentines constitute an ethnic group. The whole Ethnic groups of the UK article is a mess. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good point. I'd support a redirect, but Argentine is not an ethnicity, it is a nationality, so sending it to the Ethnic groups article would be inappropriate. If we can agree on an appropriate place, I'll support it. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about Latin Americans in the United Kingdom? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I could agree to that if it is acceptable to others. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I'm not a fan of this genre of article. There are almost certainly communities from every nation on Earth in the UK - so what? I see Tara-Palmer Tomkinson in the list yet her article doesn't mention any Argentinian connection. And Chris the Burgh was born to British and Irish parents in Argentina. That doesn't make him Argentinian. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since Argentine is a nationality, not a race or ethnicity, why couldn't he be Argentine since he was born there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niteshift36 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but I don't see any evidence that he considers himself to be Argentine. In the same way, we don't say that Cliff Richard is Indian. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as you know I believe strongly in the improvement rather than deletion of such articles, I believe that I have enough information to expand this article to an acceptable standard.Stevvvv4444 (talk) 16:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually found much more information than I thought I would to be able to expand this article, there are significant pieces of information that should allow this article to stay, I am going to go ahead to create a history and settlement section, and afterwards I would appreciate if everyone could re-think their previous thoughts. Thanks Stevvvv4444 (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll keep an eye on what you add, but so far I remain unconvinced. Most of the additional material is, at best, of tangential relevance to the article (e.g. information about English-Argentine football rivalry and the popularity of Tango in the UK, which could be the case even if there wasn't a single Argentine actually living in the UK). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, if you don't like it delete it. Stevvvv4444 (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to one of the suggestions given above. No evidence of notability. JJL (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.