Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argentina–Mexico football rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. General consensus against deletion. WP:SNOW was possible but the AfD ran it's full 7 day course. (non-admin closure) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 18:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina–Mexico football rivalry[edit]

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A rivalry is one where both teams...and their sets of supporters...really look forward to beating each other. It is a game that both sets of fans have circled on the calendar and is routinely seen as a "big game" by both sets of fans. Mexican fans have this mindset towards Argentina, but Argentines do not towards Mexico. This does not meet the criteria of a "rivalry"— Preceding unsigned comment added by G. Capo (talk • contribs)

Keep passes WP:GNG per the sources in the article explicitly referring to this series as a "rivalry." This includes top news outlets such as Reuters and the NY Times. Frank Anchor 18:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football, Argentina, Mexico Frank Anchor 18:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Sources do mention the "rivalry" and there is much more coverage: CNN Español, El Pais, NY Times Español, Marca, Reforma, El Economista (this covers a rivarly between managers but it is part of the Mexico v. Argentina umbrella), Record, La Jornada, etc. I do think the rivalry is mostly one-sidedly viewed by Mexican sources, mostly given how successful Argentina has been in the sport, but sources widely cover this rivalry. The article needs much improvement, however. Happy to assist here although I'm no expert in fútbol. 19:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morogris (talk • contribs) 19:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:18, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rivalries can be notable even if they are only viewed as rivalries by one of the fan bases. They can even be notable if they were completely made up by the coach of one of the teams, who created a trophy for the "rivalry" game as a publicity stunt (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civil Conflict (college football game), though that is a rather extreme example.) The only requirement is that the rivalry, or whatever you want to call it, receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources (i.e. meets GNG) and that is the case here. Smartyllama (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - clearly passes GNG. Giant Snowman 21:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As one of the main contributors to the article, I found enough reliable sources to consider it a real (maybe recent, but real anyway) rivalry.Fma12 (talk) 01:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ - The sources that are listed above are either Mexican or are from publications outside of Argentina. If there are Argentine publications that declare that this is a real rivalry then I would vote to keep this article. As it stands, for many non-Mexican fans of the sport...and a few Mexican fans of the sport...this existing article strains the credibility of Wikipedia. Argentines does not view Mexico as rivals. Based on the definition above of a rivalry, this is not a rivalry. G. Capo (talk) 16:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- You are the nominator, so there is no need to !vote delete, as the fact that you nominated it clearly means you support its deletion.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Understood G. Capo (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Odd reasoning. It's well documented that the England–Germany football rivalry only means anything to the English [1] [2] [3] yet nobody would ever consider deleting that page just because all the sources are English. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  By Wikipedia standards I guess you can consider England-Germany a rivalry, as by those same standards you can consider the Connecticut-Central Florida college football game as someone described above a rivalry. In the real world, a rivalry is what I described above. Argentina-Mexico isn't a rivalry, but apparently it's a rivalry by Wiki standards. G. Capo (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - significant coverage from multiple WP:RS, clear GNG pass Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Snow and slap. Govvy (talk) 18:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.