Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arfius Al-din

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The result was delete per consensus. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:52, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arfius Al-din[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, Wikipedia:Record charts says... iTunes: Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer should not be used. Theroadislong (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Theroadislong (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my source analysis below and because this is clear WP:ADMASQ. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://dailyasianage.com/news/276674/arfius-al-din-elita-karim-habib--top-musicians-collaborate-with-spotify-bangladesh		'AA Online Desk' rather than a journalist	Passing mention	✘ No
https://www.jamunaprotidin.com/archives/41030		'Special Correspondent' rather than a journalist	Extremely promotional and looks like it was written by Arfius himself or someone close to him	✘ No
https://asiannews.in/arfius-al-din-the-tale-of-a-digital-creator-entrepreneur-and-the-famous-musician/		Advert masquerading as a news article	Contains depth but is spammy	✘ No
https://www.risingbd.com/positive-bangladesh/news/433954	?	? Running through a translator, the content seems promotional to me	?	? Unknown
https://thevistek.com/here-meet-with-arfius-al-din-a-person-with-versatile-talents/		Pure promotion	Just duplicates content already covered above	✘ No
https://www.bd24live.com/bangla/418819/	?	?	Duplication of content posted across other sites	✘ No
https://www.nowadays24.com/arfius-al-dins-song-beautiful-become-tops-bangladeshi-itunes-chart-no-01/		Blog, not proper journalism	Routine song announcement	✘ No
https://ventsmagazine.com/2021/10/03/the-famous-musician-arfius-al-din-shares-his-own-experiences-to-motivate-the-new-young-music-entrepreneurs/		Covert advertising	Rehashing of the same content	✘ No
http://www.pure24news.com/news/437?fbclid=IwAR3WF3VjnZ1pAz0AV-3rC2gwko1jlhQHUXMISdGaWtz-2lxnChCOUjGUGkI	?	?	Brief and not substantial	✘ No
https://bdchitro.com/%e0%a6%a8%e0%a6%a4%e0%a7%81%e0%a6%a8-%e0%a6%ac%e0%a6%9b%e0%a6%b0%e0%a7%87%e0%a6%b0-%e0%a6%b6%e0%a7%81%e0%a6%b0%e0%a7%81%e0%a6%a4%e0%a7%87-%e0%a6%86%e0%a6%b8%e0%a6%9b%e0%a7%87-%e0%a6%86%e0%a6%b2/?fbclid=IwAR0xBYliZTTyCAb9GVJ_0LxvZe7GTVXM1c-WkTs6YibL-DOQYvKAWq6zmdk	?	?	Lacks substance, rehashing of same material	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I was about to tag it (page seen from the Teahouse). My source assessment roughly matches Spiderone’s. The only difference is that I would not have called thevistek.com "pure promotion", but it is indeed a duplicate of the content in [1] (maybe either of the two is a copyvio of the other, but press-release-through-shady-outlets seems like a better theory). I copied my intended below without modification ~~because I am too lazy~~ for transparency.

Intended AfD nomination

There are some sources, but I believe none that counts toward notability after close inspection.

To start with, [2] and [3] are passing mentions, although the latter does verify the "top Bangladeshi itunes chart for a month" claim.

I contend the rest are puff pieces, paid for and controlled by the subject, even though there is no direct mention of paid-for editing in any of those.

[4] is a full-length biography. But come on, From a young lad in a village to one of the most successful adolescents in the country,Arfius Al-din kept no stones unturned to establish himself. - really? We are supposed to believe those are words chosen by an independent journalist? Notice the photo (black and white, holding a guitar over the shoulder).
[5] is at best an interview, at worst a puff piece. I would bet on the second due to the site banner "make your brand far and wide, get featured on Asian News". Notice the photo (smiling on grass background).
[6] is quite puff-y. In isolation I would say "low-quality but usable". What kills it for me is that it has the same photo as the Asian News piece, so at the very least the "journalist" outsourced that part to the subject; the obvious suspicion is that the writing has been outsourced, too.
[7] Another puff piece, with the Asian News photo.

I cannot read Bengali, but [8], [9] have the "Asian News" photo, [10] and [11] have the "Jamuna Protidin" photo.

WP:BEFORE turned up [12] (which is a copy-paste of the "thevistek" piece, supporting the "press release laundering" theory, although one could be copyvio of the other) as well as yet another puff piece with the same photo.

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are more references added for prove the person's notability and person is not promotional nor my personal close. Please do what best for wikipedia. But, most of the time some notable person is neglected by the community and who like me try to take forward there are always some resistance. Newspaper never write a person with researches or without knowing a person. But, yes he is underrated. Do whatever best for wikipedia. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dadu1212 (talk • contribs) (moved from the talk page by Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)) [reply]

Newspaper never write a person with[out] researches or without knowing a person - anyone who has looked at the articles for deletion long enough knows that is false in the general case, and here we have two articles (this, that) which are supposedly from independent publications but are in fact 100% identical.

I see you have added three new sources. [13] would be useless from a serious source (it is at the very best an interview) is from a website that is somewhere between a blog hosting service and a PR press (see the "submit news" tab). Similarly, that one comes from a website with a "write for us" form. And the third one is a passing mention.

@Dadu1212: Please tell us what relationship if any you have with Arfius Al-din, and after that take a look at WP:42 for the kind of sources we want. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dadu1212 answered the conflict-of-interest question on my talk page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per Spiderone, source analysis. DMySon (talk) 05:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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