Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ardrey Kell High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 01:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ardrey Kell High School

Not notable enough. One line article. Jrothwell ^{(? | !)} 00:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Cliff smith ^talk 01:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not all schools can have articles, or the encyclopedia would have 4.5 million articles. ;) --LordSunday (₪Scribe₪) (♦) 01:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 02:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's nothing wrong with stub articles. Most high schools are notable, and the article has a newspaper story as a reference. --Eastmain (talk) 02:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Generally high schools are regarded as notable. We normally end up keeping articles about high schools, and just saying "We'd have too many" articles is not a reason to delete. If something is notable, then that's it. There's no "upper limit" to notability count.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. I can appreciate Lord Sunday's concerns, and want to point out that most schools are not entitled to their own article as a matter of practice. Thus, primary schools (elementary, middle or junior high, etc), business schools or private business "colleges", internet programs, etc. are generally not notable. Primary schools generally get redirected to a mention in an article about the school district rather than their own page. On the other hand, high schools are notable. There are many justifications that can be made; a high school provides the earliest level of certification (i.e., the diploma) for the majority of the persons in its community, and it's a center of the community's activities. Mandsford (talk) 13:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not because the current state deserves it, which is a matter for clean-up, but rather because WP:SCHOOLS and a long established precedent says high schools are kept while elementary and middle schools are often merged to district pages. Bringing schools to AfD is not a productive endeavor. TravellingCari 13:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Speedy delete A1/A3. There is no article there. Who gives afig if it's a high school or not? All "schoolwatch" folks should be discounted, because they're debated a perfect article. The actual article is a line, a fact, and not an article at all. Utgard Loki (talk) 15:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- So Fix It lack of content is not a deletion issue, it is an editing issue.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The hell it isn't! Why don't you fix it, instead of arguing that the perfect article will emerge some day and actually not violate our speedy deletion criteria? Instead of arguing that the simple, vandalistic habit of putting "school" in the title ensures that there can never be a deletion, why don't you actually make it fit out guidelines? Instead of being dogmatic that no school-titled article may be deleted, no matter what it looks like (or even if it's a hoax), why not investigate, write, and make it proper? Wouldn't that be a better use of your time than assuring the rest of us who can read both the deletion guidelines and the article that, even though this doesn't qualify as an article, it must never be harmed, because, choirs of angels sing "schoooooooooooooooooooolwatch?" Utgard Loki (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Please remain civil. The article does not meet any speedy deletion criteria. For example, it meets A1 (there is context, "..." is a school in Charlotte, North Carolina); A3 (there is meaningful content, location, opening date, name of principal) and it meets A7, as schools are not covered by that criterion. No-one said that all school articles have to kept, you are putting words in people's mouths; and certainly no-one has suggested keeping hoaxes! And how is putting "School" in the title "vandalistic"? The article does meet our guidelines and policies. Verifiability and notability have been proven. Certainly, more information could be added, but much of the coverage must be paid for to access it. I, and Paul I'm sure, have read deletion policy and found that the article is not worthy for deletion under the criteria stated. EJF (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to EJF. Yes, I've read and studied the deletion critera, etc. Wouldn't hurt to read it once again. And thanks, EJF for addressing the points above. I'd like to take a few of the points from the post above and address them, if I may:
- Lack of content is/is not a deletion issue WP:STUB Y'know, some of the best articles in all of Wikipedia started as stubs much smaller than the one we are discussing here. Jerry Kill comes to mind, but there are a multitude of others. If articles were deleted just for being short or stubs or "lacking in content" then this encyclopedia would be much smaller indeed! However, because it is a wiki then multiple editors can collaborate together to produce an even better final product.
- Why don't you fix it? Well, I suppose I could, but I don't necessarily think that there is anything wrong with it. I'm not enthusiastic about this particular article as a personal project and trust that others will be--likely those who are members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools or Wikipedia:WikiProject North Carolina or Wikipedia:WikiProject Charlotte teams. I tend to focus more of my efforts on WP:CFB. That's one thing cool about Wikipedia, we can participate and collaborate together in many ways and at many levels. But if you think that it is so terrible, then be WP:BOLD and edit away!
- Schools cannot be deleted Well, what I said was: "Generally high schools are regarded as notable. We normally end up keeping articles about high schools..." which is true. That's become a kind of "pocket consensus" (if there is such a thing) and I was merely expressing my opinion and exposure to history on the subject from my time in Wikipedia. You're most certainly allowd to disagree (and, to be fair, you may be right!) -- but I'm not saying that just because the word "school" is in the article title that it must be kept.
- Even if it is a hoax... Question: is this article a hoax? No one has made that accusation. If it is, then of course it should be deleted. Are you making that accusation, or simply trying to inflate your argumentation?
- the article that ... doesn't qualify as an article... of course it does! Read WP:STUB please. Articles can be short. Even in traditional printed encyclopedias, topics can be simply one sentence.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep plenty of sources available, almost all hidden behind subscription/fees, was only able to add a couple of facts. The school is clearly verifiable and notable. EJF (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Above and beyond the broad consensus on inherent notability of high schools, this article provides reliable and verifiable sources to support notability, with more available to be added. Alansohn (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - we've long since established that high schools are generally notable. If everyone here had spent their time improving the article, rather than discussing this, the article would be much better by now. Nfitz (talk) 05:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per numerous arguments above that high schools are generally considered notable, and there is significant coverage in reliable sources.--Beloved Freak 08:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as meeting WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 15:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article is referenced from reliable third-party sources thus meeting notability and verifiability, plus high schools are generally presumed notable. - Dravecky (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.