Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archie McLeod

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The result was keep. Consensus is that he squeaks by after User:Struway2's research. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Archie McLeod

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Has not played first-team football in a fully professional league or received significant media coverage. JMHamo (talk) 22:34, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Played in the Irish Prenier League and holds a goal-scoring record that still stands. Harry the Dog WOOF 12:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The LOI is not currently fully-pro and never has been fully-pro JMHamo (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per GS. Like all the irish footballers nominated in the last couple of months, he has not played in a fully professional league nor played senior international football or received significant non-routine coverage for any other activity within football. No indication that the goalscoring record (which is unverified in the article) has received any significant non-routine coverage, though if this could be shown it could potentially be grounds for a weak keep. The individual does not inherent notability from his notable relatives. Perhaps there is more of a need to look at these AfDs as a group rather than individually? Far from vandalising WP, there seems to be a large amount of non-notable irish footballers present on WP. Fenix down (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFOOTBALL failure. Number 5 7 19:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NFOOTBALL non-failure, having played for Partick Thistle in the Scottish top flight before he left for Ireland. Always assuming it's the same Archie McLeod.
The Daily Express of 31 August 1933 reports Partick Thistle signing centre-forward Archibald McLeod from Parkhead, (can't do a URL, sorry). The Glasgow Herald (2 Sept) mentions Partick having signed a centre-forward called McLeod from Parkhead; and the match report on Monday has the new centre-forward A. McLeod playing. And I can't find any mention of a McLeod at Derry City in the Irish Times before the 1934/35 season, but the name appears regularly as a goalscorer during and after, up to 1938. Obviously this is inconsistent with the WP article's claim that Mr McLeod left for Ireland in 1932. I've asked Cattivi whether he could confirm them as the same person or not.
Given that Mr McLeod left the Scottish League for the Irish League (not the League of Ireland) for the money, it does make one wonder about the relevance of the "fully professional" concept when applied to a different era. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to Emms/Wells ISBN 978-1-899468-66-9 Scottish League Players' Records 1890/91 to 1938/39 page 169: Archibald G. McLeod Parkhead Juniors/Glasgow Ashfield 1933/34 Partick Thistle 3-2 1934/39 Derry. Cattivi (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Emms/Wells book is the definitive work on appearances in the Scottish League in the relevant period, so if they say the Archibald McLeod who played three times for Partick when they were in the Scottish top division whatever it called itself in 1933/34, is the same one who played for Derry until 1938/39, then I'd definitely keep. Thanks Cattivi for the information. I'll add it to the article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joer jamaica (talk • contribs) 19:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Struway's research. Passes WP:NFOOTY. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Fair enough on a technical NFOOTY pass, but I am not sure that 3 apps is enough for GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Struway's research. Definitely meets NFOOTY, and the fact that we have a source above means it meets GNG, I'd say. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 01:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - looks to me like he holds a significant record. Has also been mentioned due to this record in national media, e.g. here and here, ~~where it also makes the claim he is the grandfather of Doctor Who star David Tennant.~~ Cattivi has also demonstrated this player to have made appearances to meet WP:NFOOTY so it looks like we are all done here. C 679 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - To clarify a point, which Fenix down already said, McLeod does not inherent notability from his notable relative. JMHamo (talk) 17:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a key part of my argument, it stands apart from this. C 679 17:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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