Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Appeal to the League of Nations Haile Selassie June 1936

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect. MER-C 16:57, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal to the League of Nations Haile Selassie June 1936

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This article is a large swath of quotations in contravention of Wikipedia's non-free content policies. Specifically, minimal use as the article is almost entirely quotations. As note in the non-free content guidelines, "Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited". This nomination takes no stand on the notability of the topic. But if notable, then the removal of the extensive quotations to comply with the non-free content policy would mean that the article would need to be written from scratch. Whpq (talk) 14:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Whpq (talk) 14:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, and Ethiopia. Skynxnex (talk) 14:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I send this to WP:CP, and am not sure why it needed to go through AfD in addition, but regardless this is not at all what an article should be, and if you remove all of the quotes you are left with only two unsourced sentences. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The speech is public domain, at least in the original Amharic and the original French translation. See here. It is the English translation that I cannot be sure of. An English translation, perhaps not the same one, was published in the Monthly Summary of the League of Nations for June 1936. When I go to access it, the UN warns me about copyright. Still, it seems that removing the offending material would leave the lead in place. A stub is preferable to erasure. Srnec (talk) 00:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the English translation of the speech is determined to be public domain, Wikisource would be the place for the text rather than here in an article. -- Whpq (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Reywas92 ~~Keep~~ the topic is definitely notable and if kept I will undertake to write a well-sourced article about it. I’d be surprised if the text of the speech was copyright protected but even if it is that would not prevent a decent article being written. Stubify for the moment. Mccapra (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Haile_Selassie#Collective_security_and_the_League_of_Nations,_1936. With this nice sourced section that covers the speech fitting well into the main article in context, I see no need for a separate article for it. If User:Mccapra is interested I'd encourage expansion there first, even if a split may be appropriate afterward. Reywas92^Talk 15:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You’re right that makes best sense. Mccapra (talk) 15:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have articles on major speeches. Which of Churchill's speeches should we be merging into his article? Haile Selassie's article is 154,836 bytes. If anything, the speech material should be moved here and that section lightened. Srnec (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, and this one is definitely notable, but we’re not discussing merging a decent article about a speech into another article. We’re discussing redirecting a stub that currently adds nothing to what is in the other article, until such time as I or anyone else writes a proper article about it. Mccapra (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As nominator, I would support a redirect as noted above. -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As would I. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Haile_Selassie#Collective_security_and_the_League_of_Nations,_1936 as an ATD, per Reywas92 and others. Sal2100 (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per others above. Found some book sources about it, but it's mostly just quotes and not analysis (in English -- would be curious what Ethiopian sources say about it). Nomader (talk) 15:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.