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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 21:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apex University[edit]

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WP:ADMASQ with WP:REFBOMB and with similar versions queued up behind it in Draft, so please do not draftify. Fiddle Faddle 21:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Fiddle Faddle 21:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Fiddle Faddle 21:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Fiddle Faddle 21:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: The article is not supported by reliable sources. Fails GNG. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 01:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - There are two related questions in any deletion discussion:

Robert McClenon (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Fails WP:GNG because sources cited are almost all primary sources, and the only secondary sources do not discuss the subject beyond passing mentions. While the text may have been appropriate for a catalog advertising program offerings, it does not meet notability requirements for a Wikipedia article. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: As mentioned by others, clearly fails WP:GNG, with little to no secondary sources.defcon5 (talk) 06:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: A little more insights on required secondary sources will help me to improve article relevance as per WP guidelines. This university has made place in great place to study in 2019 which is a notable resource. In coming days, with guidance from you all experienced administrators, further improvement can be made in article relevance and notability. Thanks to all of you for your high value contribution. Hitesh Kakkar (talk)
Comment: Hiteshkakkar0912, under Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline (WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. Thus, since Apex University is a private college, the article must meet both the general notability guideline and the guideline for commercial organizations, including WP:AUD, ...attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary.
Primary sources in this instance include the website of Apex and any sources that are directories, as well as other sources publishing information provided by Apex, such as the Forbes India "Great Indian Institutes" piece, which is an example of "dependent coverage" explained in WP:ORG. It can't be used to establish notability. Forbes profiles are specifically identified in WP:SIRS as being neither independent nor reliable, in the table below the example in the box.
For example, these paragraphs on the Apex site appear almost verbatim on the Forbes India site, page 9:
"The multi disciplinary university offers career-oriented courses at all levels, i.e. Diploma, UG & PG and Doctoral programme and across diverse streams, including Engineering, Architecture, Planning, Fashion Design, Hospitality, Basic Life and Allied Sciences, Law, Pharmaceutical Sciences, Humanities and Arts, Nursing and Para-Medical Science, Veterinary Sciences, Health Sciences, Commerce & Management, Media, Journalism & Mass Communication, Physical Education, Catering & Food Technology, Yoga & Naturopathy, Skill Development, etc."
"The main campus of the University is spread over a sprawling 30 acres campus in an eco-friendly environment at Achrol on Jaipur-Delhi National Highway and is one of the best campuses in the region. AU has world class infrastructure, including state-of-the art research facilities and modern library. In line with Sanjay Shiksha Samiti's legacy of providing quality education, the university uses the latest and innovative methods and technology to impart education."
...from the Apex website:
"Our founder Chairman Dr. S.M. Juniwal, an educationist, philanthropist & a great visionary"
...from the Forbes piece:
"an educationist group established by Dr. S. M. Juniwal, an educationist, philanthropist and and a great visionary
We're looking for secondary, reliable sources that cover the subject in depth, not just a passing mention. Of the 21 citations currently in the article, 10 qualify as primary/dependent, 9 are secondary passing mentions, and the 2 UGC sites display Error 503 "service unavailable" messages. In short, this article has no significant coverage in reliable sources. Because it is a relatively new institution it may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is getting ridiculous. I can honestly not remember a single instance where we have deleted a proper, accredited university established by legislation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Necrothesp, I, too, have argued on previous AfDs that approvals by national accreditation agencies constitute significant and substantial "reliable, independent, and verifiable secondary sources". Accreditation usually represents a rigorous process of ensuring quality of a school's programs, faculty, accountability, finances, and support for students' education, and written reports by experts from outside the university. That evidence, and inherent difficulties finding indexed publications for international sources, led me to the conclusion that Wikipedia should allow for the use of evidence a school is accredited and governmentally approved to fulfill the notability requirement. But Wikipedia does not accept sources on accreditation, or statutory authorizations, or affiliations with subject-specific professional agencies to fulfill WP:GNG. The changes brought about by the February 2017 RFC need to be re-addressed, IMHO, specifically on the issue of accreditation and governmental authorization as acceptable and defining evidence of notability. I'd like to see yet another a discussion among the Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools community, Wikipedia:WikiProject Higher education and the WP community at large, on these sources as valid WP:RS evidence for notability purposes. Given that last Rfc, it's bound to be equally contentious.
However, I do have specific concerns about the the Apex University claim, "Dr Sagar Mal Juniwal's APEX UNIVERSIty/ RECOGNIZED BY UGC". The University Grants Commission (UGC) site does list Apex University as a state private university, but indicates that an expert committee has not been constituted, and in the remarks section says Information called for inspection purpose, still awaited. Drilling down on the "More Info" link opens a table, Apex University showing no "University Contact Information". It is not clear that Apex has yet completed the required submissions and inspections for accreditation. But that is irrelevant to this current discussion, as accreditation does not at this time fulfill the GNG requirement. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Grand'mere Eugene, Thx for your observations. Addressing your specific concern about UGC approval status of the Apex University, whether it has completed the required submissions and inspections for accreditation. Below mentioned are the secondary sources (links) to support voiding your doubt. Also, there is multiple rounds of inspection happens. 1st round for approval to allow to establish a university, 2nd round after three of the establishment to gauge education quality where a questionnaire is being asked to fill by the university officials. "Information called for inspection purpose, still awaited belongs to this 2nd round which needs to be fulfilled once three years are completed" and and then further round to understand meeting compliances, etc.

For contact information, yes, I understand it is missing a section, but mandatory contact details are furnished completely. This is not a major cup to worry about, as it is not missed by the part of the University, needs to be updated by UGC officials only.

Link no. 1: http://www.bareactslive.com/Raj/rj1268.htm (Clearly depicts Apex University, Jaipur Act, 2018 (Act No. 27 of 2018). It is mentioned university has received the assent of the Governor on the 5th day of October 2018.

Link no. 2: https://www.ugc.ac.in/cro/privateuni.aspx (Has Apex University name on serial order 48, under Universities in Rajasthan TAB.) This is the official website of UGC for its “Central Regional Office” as established by the Ministry of HRD, Govt. of India. Name is always included in this list only when all inspections and accreditations are done and the university can officially start enrolling students for admissions.

I'm sure they must have received a letter too from UGC on the establishment. if required, the same can be asked to verify further. But as far as I know the Indian education system for the past 15 years, no disapproved university can make a name in the UGC list. In fact, UGC is having a separate list of fake universities too.

Link no. 3: https://www.casemine.com/act/in/5ed4fb00894ef23297d8b969 (contains an original pdf for RAJASTHAN ACT 27 OF 2018: THE APEX UNIVERSITY, JAIPUR ACT, 2018. THIS IS WRITTEN IN HINDI LANGUAGE, OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF RAJASTHAN STATE IN INDIA. "TRANSLATION OF LINE NO. 11,12 AND 13 IN ENGLISH STATES THAT GOVERNOR OF RAJASTHAN STATE PERMISSION RECEIVED ON 5TH OCT 2018 FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF THE APEX UNIVERSITY."

Link no. 4: https://rajassembly.nic.in/LegislationGovernmentBills.aspx (This is the National Informatics Center website of Rajasthan Legislative Assembly having a list of approved Government Bills. “On Sr. no 83, a link to a bill to notify the establishment of Apex University is mentioned having 17/2018 as bill no. and year, a bill passed on 6 Sept 2018 with act no 27/2018.

Link no. 5: https://hte.rajasthan.gov.in/private_univ.php row no 50 (This is a link to the Higher technical and Medical Education division of Govt of Rajasthan, India. This has Apex University on row no 50 with a link mentioning “Disciplines in which university shall take education and research”. Stamped by Principal secretary to the government and Government central press.

Hitesh Kakkar (talk)


*Keep. (Struck because each user may vote only once)

My Comment and Neutral Observation:

Thanks to everyone for contributing to accessing the relevance of this article for inclusion in Wikipedia. Being a new member of the Wikipedia community, I’ve tried to go through general guidelines for deletion, studied types of sources relevant to understand notability, etc, and also studied several university/college articles which fall under the same categories and location, as mentioned for Apex University. My intention in writing this explanation here is not to influence. I’ve just joined and still have a lot to learn and understand about this highly valued platform “Wikipedia” from your all.

My reasons for requesting admins to KEEP the article “Apex University”: 1. Like other universities in the same category and geography, Apex University is official approved by the legislative assembly and is part of government associations and bodies like AICTE, AIU, BCI, PCI, etc. 2. The parent organization “Sanjay Shiksha Samiti” is serving the nation for the past 54 years, run several institutions dedicated to bringing impact for the betterment of society. Apex University under this umbrella started in 2018, but the parent organization legacy is of 54 years now. 3. Apex University is currently helping students in rural and urban areas to build a great future through imparting relevant skills. 4. Currently, more than 3000 students are studying at the university. I belong to the same city where the campus is headquartered; I have seen it impacting lives and contributing to society through my own eyes. 5. While researching more about “Apex University”, I found coverage by newspapers of national reputation in India. Here, “Apex University” a. 100% Scholarships for the students who need financial assistance to gain access to higher education to build their careers. b. Ward of COVID-19 Warriors Scheme to give Upto 10 Million (1 Crore) Indian Rupees scholarships for the wards of COVID warriors. c. Blood Donation Camp to support no scarcity of basic life support systems during COVID-19 pandemic. d. Contribution to Chief Minister Relief Fund by faculties and management of Apex University to extend financial support by donating salary.

6. With NO intentions to compare, I have actually noticed a good number of articles having existence under the same category and location with either fewer or Not solid secondary sources, lesser associations with regulatory bodies, etc. Considering their existence, I who belong to the same location where “Apex University” and other privileged universities/colleges (have published article) exists and is very active in understanding the Indian Education system and contributors. I believe, like others “Apex University” deserves a chance now to be part of the esteemed “Wikipedia Family”.

In short, a university set up as per laws and legislation, contributing notably for the betterment of the society through education, supporting society during pandemic deserves support from Wikipedia admins and fair a chance to be part of Wikipedia Family.

I again request you all not to take it as my personal request, but when I look like an outsider with a neutral approach. Apex University article doesn’t deserve to be deleted.

REST IS YOUR JUDGEMENT, YOU GUYS ARE MORE EXPERIENCED THAN ME. I’LL HONOR YOUR DECISION IN EACH CASE. INCOMING TIMES, THIS ARTICLE NOTABILITY, AND RELEVANCE MAY SURELY BE IMPROVED.Hitesh Kakkar (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Hitesh Kakkar (talk) Hitesh Kakkar (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your feedback with comparison will help to understand where Apex University article lacks meeting GNG and notability. Accordingly will rewrite, if deleted.

I have gone through GNG, other similar articles, etc and whatever I have understood doesn't seems like this deserves deletion.If any improvement required in content etc, pls tell same will expedite.Hitesh Kakkar (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment:Added a few more relevant details for 1st initiatives taken, academics, and faculties in an attempt to make it better enough for public space. Who so ever take the final decision on the fate of this article is humbly requested to read all conversations here entirely & patiently, read the article, compare if necessary, and then decide on its fate judicially, keeping (delete) as the last option if this doesn't complement the Wikipedia requirements, at all. Your decision will be honored. Hitesh Kakkar (talk) 17:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Approvals by national accreditation agencies do not constitute significant and substantial "reliable, independent, and verifiable secondary sources" because these are a primary source. — Alalch Emis (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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