Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonella Alonso

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 07:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Antonella Alonso[edit]

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I do not believe this subject meets our notability standards for adult entertainment industry performers. Notability seems premised on the fact that she wrote an undergraduate paper touching on the industry that she ended up working in, at a relatively unremarkable level with relatively insignificant awards or recognitions. BD2412 T 16:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, and Sexuality and gender. Shellwood (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Shellwood (talk) 17:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: Google News link shows that her coverage is exclusively in Spanish. Is there any wikiproject that can help evaluate the reliability of those sources for the purposes of the GNG? Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not all of them are in Spanish, however there are many interviews and press releases to weed through. A quick GNews search yields profiles by GQ Italy] and El Gráfico, where Ms. Alonso gets some notoriety for a more prominent relative. • Gene93k (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Morbidthoughts: Members of the WikiProject Venezuela can help with assessments, and WP:VENRS was created as an essay to serve as a reference for reliability. For instance, El Estímulo and El Pitazo, both of which are used as references in the article, are listed as reliable. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As the article's move discussion showed (Talk:Antonella Alonso#Requested move 13 June 2022), the subject has ample and independent coverage that meets WP:GNG: Uniradio Informa, Vice, Yahoo, El Pitazo, 24 Horas, Iberoeconomía, La Prensa, El Gráfico. Yes, most of the sources are in Spanish, but they also come from different countries, including Mexico, the United States, Spain and Honduras, respectively, and among others, besides from Venezuela.

Contrary to what the nominator suggests, her notability also comes from her awards in the industry: Being listed as a Penthouse Pet in February 2021, her an AVN Award, and nominations in both said awards and the PornHub Awards, as well as being featured on the cover of magazines. The AVN Awards are on of the most important awards in the pornographic industry, and with all the awards and recognitions the biography should meet WP:ENT. Her undergraduate paper is only an interesting part of her biography and how it is related to her current job, but notability has not been argued based on it. -NoonIcarus (talk) 23:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The usual non-notability of porn actors brought here, rests on things that are no longer used as criteria such as being a Penthouse Pet or an winning an AVN Award. Zaathras (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as ~~an NENT pass~~. I believe coverage in out-of-universe, reliable sources is the thing to look for in adult entertainer bios, and this one has enough. GQ Italia, El Pitazo, and El Estímulo (the 2020 article) are sufficiently in-depth. I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the advice at WP:VENRS on the latter two. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC) striking and typo fix 15:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm still a Keep on this, but I was incorrect to call the article an NENT pass. The sources are sufficient to pass WP:NBASIC. I'm not sure the Delete !voters have presented any PAG-based reasons to invalidate the sourcing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sourcing here is not actually enough to pass our actual inclusion criteria for entertainers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark (talk) 01:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

keep, awards and coverage show that she's notable. 89.139.131.44 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC) — 89.139.131.44 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

So what? I'm not a registered user, but I made hundreds of edits even this year; my IP is not a constant one. 89.139.131.44 (talk) 08:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Such a claim is not verifiable, hence the tag. Zaathras (talk) 07:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So what? There is no h-index here, we are not in academia; number of edits also doesn't give you any higher rank or position. Both voices, yours and mine, should be counted as equal, even if you don't think so. You can dislike unregistered users, but I'm no vandal and don't like to be treated as one. 89.139.131.44 (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to be considered like an actual person and not a random number that could be anyone or no one at any given time, feel free to register an account. Otherwise, your "vote" and subsequent replies are the totality of your Wikipedia contributions, nothing else exists. Zaathras (talk) 22:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's because of users like you I prefer to be anonymous. The fact that you made 1000 or ten thousands edits doesn't give you any rights or superiority, you are not an admin if I'm not mistaken. 89.139.131.44 (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As an user that is voting to keep the article, I also advise you to create an account. It gives you more credibility in the community, and it is actually more anonymous than your IP address, which can tell your geolocation. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passing the GNG per Firefangledfeathers. Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:53, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per sources identified by Firefangledfeathers. MrsSnoozyTurtle 03:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.