Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Führer

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Führer

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An academics who cannot be shown any notability to meet WP:NACADEMICS. Htanaungg (talk) 11:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Listed in Das katholische Deutschland: biographisch-bibliographisches, a selective national biographical dictionary. Additional references are available at the corresponding article in the German Wikipedia, de:Anton Führer Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Is this the same Anton Führer that is the subject of this book [1]? The birth/death dates are one year off from the listing on the linked library listing, but everything else matches up. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The existing article says that they are two different people. "he is not to be confused with Alois Anton Führer, the Indologist who studied Sanskrit at the University of Würzburg and had a controversial career in India." Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. An earlier article with the same name was created and deleted on June 14, 2013. Could the 2013 article be restored so that anything useful in it could be added to the current article? Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Not done. It was deleted per A3 as having no "meaningful, substantive content". But what content there was consisted of a link to an off-site attack page, probably about the other Anton Führer. Restoring it as if it were relevant to this article would be inappropriate. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion about retention. Thanks for observations so far. I have added this article and was aware that something of the same name was deleted earlier, in 2013. The problem turns on the problematic Alois Anton Führer, for this which there is already a WIKI article. There is confusion between the two, as the discussion here indicates. They are different people, and Anton Führer is who did his dissertation at Göttingen on ancient Greek dialects, is not the same person. The Führer who went to India was born the same year -- and he is the subject of Charles Allen's book, mentioned above. Unfortunately the two are conflated, even in some of the library catalogues in Germany, as you can see from the link added to the page. The Vāsishṭhadharmaśāstram, edited by Rev. A A Führer (Rezension) Jolly, Julius. - Heidelberg : CrossAsia, 2020 -- is NOT by our man. As it turns out (see Falk's article cited in piece under discussion), this is considered now as a third-rate piece of scholarship and its author -- the India Führer -- went on to career of deception, being ultimately fired from his job in India for fraud and the misuse of funds. In WorldCat, our classical scholar is named as Anton Führer, so I have used that here. It seems rather sad that an entirely decent man should suffer the fate of being combined, by mistake, with the Führer who went to India. Where else to sort his out? Ordinary readers will be confused and a short entry will help clarify that the India Führer had no knowledge of ancient Greek. Given the number of publications by Anton Führer, I am a bit mystified why he is not consider notable. It might be argued that he would be better covered in German wikipedia, but this does not answer the problem that the impacts of the India Führer are mainly in the English speaking world. shirazibustan
Other works. Given there are several people of this name, I have not confirmed that the other works, like those on the Rheine, are by our Anton Führer. For that we would need help from a librarian in Germany I guess. shirazibustan
- It seems likely enough that the AF described in the Totenzettel link as director of the de:Gymnasium Dionysianum (Rheine) would be the author of the history of that school and likely also of the histories of Rheine, and presumably the namesake of Anton-Führer-Straße in Rheine, and I think [2] may be an adequate source for all these connections. What is less clear, though, is that this is the same AF who completed his PhD on Boeotian (I guess meaning Aeolic Greek) in 1876, and wrote about German and Latin grammar. Perhaps the katholische Deutschland source would clear that up, but it's offline. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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