Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne-Lot Hoek

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The result was delete‎. The IP editor (or IP editors, but it looks like one) has put some work into defending the article, but providing more references which mention her and her books but do not give substantial coverage to her does not outweigh the policy-based arguments given by other editors for deletion. JBW (talk) 20:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anne-Lot Hoek[edit]

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Every single reference in this article is a link to one of the many itemised published articles in the Literature and Bibliography section. A writer writes articles, so we really don't have notability. Everything else in here is WP:NOTCV. We have the publication of a book on Bali, but the grounds for notability for the work or its author are scant - vide being shortlisted for a redlinked prize. In total, we fail WP:GNG - despite the polish that has been invested here. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I removed the links to her website, her publisher and her booking agent... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. May I ask why that is? E.g. on the site of David van Reybrouck they are also shown? 41.13.243.178 (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, History, Indonesia, and Netherlands. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for including her on your list. 105.245.233.60 (talk) 15:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If it can be proved she is a journalist-in-residence at the Netherlands Institute for Advanced Study then she would likely be notable. It not the kind of placement that is handed out in a lucky bag. The prize she was awarded seems quite minor. I can't find any reviews on the book. Perhaps some in dutch. It took 7 years to write so likely notable. Its a major historical work. The article is a completely unsourced, but could be trimmed if a source could be found for the placement. There is likely dutch language refs that could found. I think on the whole she will probably be notable. scope_creep^Talk 10:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi A review of the book can be found on one of the most notable newspaper of the Netherlands, where she received 4 stars:

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/11/25/dit-boek-doet-gruwelijke-onthullingen-over-de-geheime-nederlandse-gevangenissen-op-bali-a4066801 105.245.233.60 (talk) 14:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The book De strijd om Bali was also chosen by Dutch prize winning author Adriaan van Dis as the book that has most influenced him (more than any other novel or scientific book he ever read on the subject). He explains this in the Rudy Kousbroek lecture.

https://www.atlascontact.nl/2023/11/03/de-kolonie-mept-terug-10e-rudy-kousbroeklezing-door-adriaan-van-dis/ 105.245.233.60 (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And De strijd om Bali is also recommended by #2 New York Times bestselling author Roxane van Iperen and prizewinning author David van Reybrouck 105.245.233.60 (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some news coverage of her book. (I'm not personally familiar with finding scholarly sources in this field – I feel that would be better to look for). This 2015 article in the NRC opinion supplement, on the violent history of the Dutch East Indies and looking back at this period in history in the present, generated a response in NRC (alternative link) from Gert Oostindie, director of the Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies. Bridget (talk) ~~02:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)~~ 04:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A journalist who has penned down one book. The setup of the article in English and Dutch is misleading and double-dipping. From all I could find, the nominator stands correct in this nomination! gidonb (talk) 14:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear sir/madam, it is not intended as double dipping but meant to make them available to a wider audience. The lage landen (renowned magazine in Belgium) made the translations into French and English in separate magazines due to their significance. 105.245.233.60 (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does source 5 not make her notable? She was nominated for the "De Libris history prize", which seems to be a big deal. Oaktree b (talk) 14:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not really IMHO - the bluelinked Libris Prize is a prize for novels, the history prize isn't this. Additionally, the novel was shortlisted, not a winner. WP:BOOKCRIT tells us, "the book has won a major literary award." My bold! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The prize is a big deal in the Netherlands, also being shortlisted from 230 books into the top 5 (which also receives prize money). There is a Dutch Wikipedia page for the Libris History Prize (Libris Geschiedenis Prijs). It is the top prize for non-fiction. The top 5 is widely promoted in the country. 105.245.233.60 (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: delete based on the discussion of the award and lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear sir/madam,

With all respect, the argument she has only written one book I believe doesn’t hold. She worked on it for seven years and was chosen as one of the best 5 history books of 2022 of the Netherlands. There is a fiction prize (Libris) and a non-fiction prize (Libris History Prize). In addition she writes for national newspapers. The fact there are translations of articles is not to blow things up but because a well known publisher in Belgium (de lage landen) has published those articles in multiple languages due to their significance. It makes them also accessible to people from multiple countries. In case you have more questions please let me know.

Kind regards and thank you for your non-paid effort to optimize Wikipedia!

Kind regards, Ewout — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.245.233.60 (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The bar is higher than that. Plus the argument she has only written one book does hold. It would not hold if she had published a number of books different from one. The long work on the book was mostly the author's PhD studies and her dissertation research/writing. A well-received book is a career accomplishment. Let's appreciate that and not make it more than it is! gidonb (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gideon, I am sorry, I didn’t know it was that important to add other books she also published and contributed to as well. I have added a range now, including books in Belium and the UK. 41.13.243.178 (talk) 07:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Anon. I will give this another look, given the additional information! gidonb (talk) 11:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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