Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angband (band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, Nakon 01:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Angband (band)[edit]

Non-notable article subject. Fails to meet critieria set by WP:MUSIC. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 14:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. Keep, I've been putting some thought into this one for a few days now, and I'm changing my vote, in no small part to Paul Eirk. I've been thinking of voting keep under WP:MUSIC#C7, but didn't because the only reference we have is a band press-release, which "technically" fails reliable sources. However, taking into consideration where they are from, I'm gonna over look that, and coupled with the fact that WP:MUSIC is a guideline, not policy, I'm changing my vote to keep under WP:MUSIC#C7. And from one band to another, I wish them all the best with their new record contract. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 01:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 15:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - NN subject. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, that was implied in your statement of nomination. :) Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'm staying neutral, but I'll note that this band is calling itself the first Iranian metal band, at a time when metal is banned in Iran, to be signed to a European label. Source: Blabbermouth.net (I also note that's all that's appearing in a Google News archives search). Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that too, and and was wondering if it failed #1 of WP:Music#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles, since it is the same press release, verbatim, in every source I can find. Your thoughts Sir! Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 02:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you are correct. I remain neutral, with my optimistic stance that this article's subject might have some sources that are hard to access via the Internet, as is sometimes the case with bands from the Middle East. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)}

Comment: I edited the page and removed the "first band thing" hope it solve the problem.

the 2 last links are about the first part of article to confirm the Chuck Schuldiner's comment about the book that Mahyar dean wrote in 2000.
Sincerely
Mortex2—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortex2 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 24 June 2008

Comment -- I still have research to do on the band, so I won't throw a judgment in yet, but I originally tagged the article with the notability tag. If it is indeed the only signed metal band from Iran, then it is certainly notable by criterion 7. Otherwise, it's a shoo-in for deletion. -- 83.203.195.129 (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I searched in many metal news sites, find many metal bands from Iran in metalarchive.com but non of them are signed and also entered the word "iran" in news archive of blabbermouth.net (CNN of metal) and read all of the news about metal from Iran. They are the first band.thanks for the time and comments. --Mortex2 (talk) 07:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Persian Mirror website claims that "Ahoora is a Progressive Thrash Metal Band... Recently they signed to British label, Real2Can Records, which will release their self titled debut album worldwide." It is undated so it is unclear whether they beat Angband to the signing, but it does mean that Angband are not the only Iranian metal band signed with a European label (unless you are distinguishing between "metal" and "progressive thrash metal"). Road Wizard (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If its right why Ahoora are in the unsigend bands section at myspace!!!!they are unsigned and just send their cds to this store to sell, just Check them at myspace. from the other hand real2can is more like an online Records store, Its not a label. you can send your Cds and they sale it like Cd baby.--85.15.24.162 (talk) 09:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Thats right ahoora are unsigned based on myspace. thas why only a non-metal Persian site wrote about them not the metal news sites.--Mortex2 (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As an independent observer who knows very little about the Metal genre, Iranian music or music articles on Wikipedia I have pointed out a source that appears relevant to this discussion. The source claims another Iranian band has signed with a different European label. Whether this source is reliable is up to the judgement of editors more familiar with the subject material. However, I would point out that the self-published source for the Angband claim is not a very reliable source itself. I have no judgement on this issue, hence my choice to comment and not put forward an argument.

On a separate point I find it interesting that 85.15.24.162 (who has commented above) refactored and signed your comments on my talk page.[1][2] Do you want me to restore the comments on my talk page to what you wrote? Road Wizard (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking further at the edits of 85.15.24.162 it appears that the editor also altered your comments on this discussion page.[3] However I see that you have fixed the problem by adding a new comment to replace the altered one.[4] Road Wizard (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)--85.15.13.164 (talk) (UTC)[reply]

Comment: thats right, when I did more reseaches I added another comment, you can say anything about the article but Its not fair to comapre it with an unsigned band, I live in Iran and I know Persian mirror. did you check myspace for this Iraniain unsigned band ahoora !? I decided to remove the first band thing once but I have to keep it to match the rules of wikipedia, and now after lots of reasearches I do know they are the frist band.--85.15.13.164 (talk) 05:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The press release proclaiming the band as the first Iranian metal band to sign a recording deal with an European label can be dismissed as inaccurate. Aside from Ahoora that Road Wizard mentioned, the black metal act Sorg Innkallelse is on the underground Estonian label Hexenreich and has released two albums through it with a third arriving in August this year. It seems to me that if any Iranian metal band deserves an article on wikipedia, Ahoora and Sorg Innkallelse are more notable than this Angband. Heck, I can think of several other metal bands from different countries across the Middle East that deserve an article more than Angband. There is very little coverage of Angband which is not surprising given that they have yet to even release their debut album. --Bardin (talk) 06:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ho hum, apparently there is a wikipedia article on Sorg Innkallelse. --Bardin (talk) 06:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, and Ahoora's label is in question (signed or not? who knows!). I'm still not going to make a judgment, but I can't say I'm too impressed with the arguments for or against deletion. 83.203.178.6 (talk) 14:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.