Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Stewart Jamieson

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Stewart Jamieson

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no evidence of notability, BLP lacking citation for most of the article content. Yworo (talk) 03:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The only easily-verifiable reference is to the website of the 'Royal House of Aragon,' a so-called Royal House without any throne, subjects, or governmental involvement of any sort. I find any involvement with such to be... unpersuasive as to someone's credentials, given the silly number of such 'Royal Houses' extant online, some of which have created severe headaches right here on Wikipedia (further details available on request). → ROUX ₪ 06:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I wondered about that "Royal House" myself. It has been several months since I looked it up, but I think it was a link to an actual King of Aragon that the family claimed, but the Aragon dominion is currently the right of the King of Spain. I am not sure what right they claimed to have over Aragon. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 06:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The heart of the matter is that Andrew Stewart Jamieson is a leading heraldic artist who has received international recognition for his work (e.g. the award he got at the Ottawa congress, with inline citation). Heraldry may be a limited field, but that does not mean someone can not be outstanding in it. Having made a quick scan of who is mentioned under the rubric of heraldic artists, I can only conclude that Jamieson has just as much right to be there as say Guy Selvester. Richardot (talk) 08:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You may not want to argue with, "If that guy is in, why not this guy." It jsut might lead to the counter-argument of, "Delete them both, then." Besides, they aren't really that similar, as Guy Selvester is more like a herald who designs the coats of arms for priests and churches, offers simple emblazons, is a man of the cloth who heads his own congregation, is entered into religious orders and a leading expert on Church heraldry. A better comparison would be Anthony Wood, who had a career as great as if not greater than Jamieson's. Wood also taught Andrew Jamieson and Neil Bromley, two of the leading heraldic artists active today. Now, since Wood does not have an article, so then one could argue that Jamieson does not deserve one either. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - While I would not denigrate the Ottawa congress, it is the other 'qualifications' which bring the man into disrepute by association. And Xander.. one notes that Cathy Bursey-Sabourin has an entry (as she should). What I would like to see is an RS which shows that this particular heraldic artist has done anything significant, which the article does not currently show. → ROUX ₪ 09:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The editors, who are fans of Jamieson, have not even bothered to search out sources. Rather they bicker about why citations are needed and prefer to leave the article unsourced. Either they do not believe Wikipedia policy applies to their beloved artist or there are none, either way it is not conforming to the standards required. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 19:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. per xander — Rlevse • Talk • 21:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I was not able to find any independent sources writing about Jamieson or his work. His chief claim to notability seems to be that he has received the Corel Prize for Excellence and that he is Catania Herald of the Royal Aragonese College of Arms. These two facts appear to be true, but I cannot find any evidence that they have been written about independently of the organizations which gave those recognitions, so they do not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. As far as I can determine using Google books, he has not been the subject of significant writing in books, either. With no independent, reliable sources writing about this subject, there is no information that could appropriately be included in an article on the subject, and so there is currently no need for an article with this title. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability per policy not shown. A Google news search returned 8 results, none of which were about this subject. Malke 2010 (talk) 02:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not notable.--Yopie (talk) 08:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't turn much up on Google about the 'Corel Prize for Excellence', just a few hits here and there. The article says Jamieson was awarded it "at the Governor General's residence" - not by the Governor General. Maybe that's a clue.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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