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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 16:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anand Bhatt (musician)[edit]

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Appears to be the same Anand Bhatt whose article has been deleted four times already. Trivialist (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Current sourcing does not show how Bahtt is notable and I found nothing better. "Considered for Nomination" is not nominated and is not sourced. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A search reveals Anand Bhatt appearances in notable media (television, magazines, etc.). It is obvious he is a notable persona. 99.99.174.248 (talk) 04:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All of the "keep" votes above were posted by 99.99.174.248, whose edits all involve adding Anand Bhatt to other articles. I don't have a log-in but my input/comments are still quite valid per WP guidelines. Secondary articles show legitimacy of notabililty 99.99.174.248 (talk) 04:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As for the links posted:

  • The Grammy.com link is to a photo of Bhatt with the caption, "Anand Bhatt arrives to the 12th Annual Latin GRAMMY Awards at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas on Nov. 10," which only establishes that he was at that awards ceremony.
  • The Automotive Horizon article is a press release for Las Vegas Exotic Rentals, who provided him with a car for the 2011 Latin Grammy Awards. It also says that he is the "first Indian American to be considered for a Latin Grammy"—but is that the same as being nominated, or is this an earlier step?
  • The YouTube link is to an appearance on Buenos Dias Miami, which I'm guessing is a local television program.
  • The CelebrityCafe article merely says Bhatt is a "worldwide rock star" and "was recently inducted into the Latin Grammys," which I assume means he's a member of the organization that awards Latin Grammys.
  • The description of him on the Parker Guitars page (cached; all of the feature artists links on the site currently 404) is vague and doesn't specifically establish notability, other than "his GRAMMY recognized music"—which may or may not be equivalent to Grammy-nominated or Grammy winning.
  • The HMM Awards link is to a program for the Music in Media Awards & Conference, and lists him as a "celebrity host," but only identifies him as "International rock artist Anand Bhatt," which could mean any number of things, but is not inherently notable.
  • The SiliconIndia article is title "Top 5 Indians in Hollywood to look out for" (emphasis added), and notes, "He has been seen on television numerous times walking the GRAMMY red carpet as an award consideree and an academy voting member. Anand Bhatt is the first Indian-American to be inducted into the Latin Grammy's (Latin Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences)." [sic] So he's a member of the Latin Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, which is cool and all, but doesn't automatically make one notable.
  • The SMN News article says Bhatt's band Anand Clique "was on the first round Grammy ballot for 'Best Metal Performance'," which, again, is cool, but doesn't automatically make one notable. (I'll give 99.99.174.248 credit for linking to an article which describes Bhatt as "[u]nder a veil of self-importance" and Anand Clique's video "truly awful.")

Though that Times of India article, if true, is kind of amazing. Trivialist (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to question if they actually did any fact checking or swallowed his story whole. And how much is try and how much is the story he's trying to sell. Any sign of Wild West at the AVNs? duffbeerforme (talk) 12:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Grammy.com does not post pictures on their website of peope if they were not Notable. Furthermore, not anyone can walk the red carpet and get their picture taken. Only the notable can. 99.99.174.248 (talk) 04:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trivialist's comments actually support that this person meets WP:BIO as well. 99.99.174.248 (talk) 04:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the article has been updated with new and improved sources 99.99.174.248 (talk) 04:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, 99.99.174.248, you can only vote once. Besides, it's obvious you're either Anand Bhatt or connected to him somehow. Trivialist (talk) 05:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As a reminder, these aren't votes. The decision is made by consensus and people can offer as much evidence to support their !vote as they like. The multiple items inserted by 99.99.174.248 (who is strongly encouraged to create an account), should have been encapsulated into one !vote, but just because they entered them as multiple items doesn't give them additional weight in the formation of the consensus. Also, I encourage asking if someone is the subject of or related to the subject of the article instead of accusing them. Please remember that WP:AGF is a fundamental rule here and suspicions don't count - evidence does. I'll do some of my own research and cast a !vote here soon. Thanks Vertium When all is said and done 20:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete and Salt. Unfortunately, saying over and over and over again that someone is notable doesn't make it so. Opinions don't count, policies do and 99.99.174.248 would be well advised to provide an argument to the claims of MUSICBIO notability and the like. It's not sufficient to just make a declarative sentence and leave it at that. Based on the citations above, I can't see how notability has been established. Here is my reasoning:
  • The entire line of references to the Grammys, including this and this are unpersuasive because everything says he's been "considered" for a grammy. What evidence is there for someone being "considered for nomination"? That's patent nonsense. Any song or artist might be considered by the academy for nomination... and that doesn't make you notable. You're either nominated or you're not. I can find no reference to a Latin Grammy nomination for this person, nor any evidence to support the claim that he was actually inducted into the Latin Grammys other than his own press releases, which are not admissible for this purpose as they are not independent.
  • Despite his website and puffery claims of being "world famous" and an "international star", I can't seem to find any notable and reliable music chart (e.g. Billboard) where he has produced a substantive hit record.
  • I don't consider TheCelebrityCafe.com a reliable source, so I disregard that as evidence of notability
  • The HMMA reference was an announcement of an upcoming appearance, clearly disqualified as a source of notability. If the press had covered his appearance there, that would have helped establish notability.
  • I do not consider the SiliconIndia article noteworthy as there is no reputation of fact checking in this media outlet.
  • The only indication of even minor notability is the porn career seemingly undertaken by this individual. The Times of India is traditionally accepted as a reliable source, though AVN shows him as primarily a writer of articles and as a cast member of one movie called The Prisoner (NSFW) though there is reference to the Wild West here (also NSFW). Per the WP:PORNBIO this actor is not notable as he has not achieved even one of the criteria under that policy. I encourage 99.99.174.248 to review WP:BIO and remember that having been photographed or mentioned or even recording a song or porn film is not sufficient notability. Vertium When all is said and done 21:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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