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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 02:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Idol Hot 100 singles[edit]

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Previous nomination nearly resulted in delete - this article is nothing but trivial American Idol cruft. These people have appeared on the show and have gained varying amounts of fame from it, but 99% of these songs are not American Idol songs... with the exception of the coronation singles released right after the season finale, all of these are contained on the artists' albums and have nothing to do with the show. Per past nom, information is redundant (found in discographies) and "weeks on" column unsourced. Why not make an article for every chart entry for people who appeared on American Bandstand? eo (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - just fyi the prior result was "no consensus". - eo (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please abide by WP:NOCRUFT and WP:ITSCRUFT, as WP:CRUFT states: "use of [the term cruft] may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil and an assumption of bad faith...Some users consider this a pejorative term and see it as insulting to well-meaning contributors. They might likewise consider use of the term in forums such as articles for deletion inappropriate." Using this term does not help. Ikip (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this is a helpful list to keep track of the song's (IMO) CloversMallRat (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Trivial intersection of topics. Why not "American Idol Pop 100 singles"? "American Idol Dance Club Play singles"? A chart issued by one company and an unrelated talent night competition hosted by another don't make a meaningful topic when combined.—Kww(talk) 00:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe the Hot 100 is the closest thing to a national chart available. The fact that the single are ranked highly by an independent company is a good thing. Brownsnout spookfish (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The only possible argued in favor of keeping is "but it's useful!". — R2 01:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: WP:LISTCRUFT. JamesBurns (talk) 01:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable intersection. Judging from the list just about every American Idol alumnus has charted in the Hot 100. It's not that difficult, even a lesser known like Josh Gracin did it four times. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 04:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This article is indeed helpful for fans of individual artistes to keep track of how the singles released are doing. Some information is not available on the singles page like chart status and volume pushed on the artistes or single's page. Furthermore, such information is not easily obtained by the public which does not have access to Billboard's full charts. It is also helpful as a comparison chart for all the idols past and present and would increase exposure of the artistes that are not as successful on the mainstream due to the lack of advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiquan (talk • contribs) 13:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC) — Kaiquan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment, that's nice and all, but Wikipedia is not meant to be an advertising space. Each one of these artists has their own Wikipedia page and (most likely) a separate discography page as well. What if the show runs for another 5-10 years? How long is this list going to get? - eo (talk) 13:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still think it's a non-notable intersection. Yes, American Idol is big, but it's pretty much a given that their contestants will chart at least one Hot 100 hit, and all of these data are already covered in the singers' articles (also, you're missing at least three Bubbling Under hits that I can think of, just off the top of my head). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I really don't think this list would really meet notability thresholds, and honestly, it's quite trivial. And I don't know what the main purpose of this page is. Is it just to compare American Idol contestant songs? If so, then it can be succintly stated on the main Idol page, especially in the case of last season (like, "Studio recordings of contestants' songs were released on iTunes, and many of them briefly charted on the Hot 100 due to high sales."). I don't think that the songs charted under the Hot 100 are exactly noteworthy, either. If the list is to record every single release of every single person who was a contestant on American Idol, then it would be a sprawling mess, wouldn't it? This page would be absolutely acceptable on an AI fansite or AI Wiki, but here...it's hard to argue for its inclusion. SKS2K6 (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Aspects, your edits to the page are definitely a great improvement in terms of format, sourcing and style (and editing down the crap)... however, SKS2K6's argument seems to sum it up - it is the content of the article itself that doesn't seem meet notability standards. - eo (talk) 23:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This keeps track the number of songs which have charted on the Hot 100. As American Idol has become a part of popular culture, it is common for books about popular music (from Billboard, and the Music edition of Uncle John's Bathroom) to include entries about American Idol as a whole, bunching the careers of alumnus, their significance, long or short-term success, and both citing the number of Hot 100 hits, and which ones were the most successful. This article also measures the impact American Idol has on the music industry at the time, and although artistically speaking, the Idol franchise is not up to speed with legendary artists like the Beatles or Elvis Presley, lists of their hit singles become an interesting part of music history, even if it is trivial. The argument that this list will become too long if the television series lasts another 5-10 years is not very pertinent. In fact, if the show does last that long, and the list gets longer, interest in reading it will become a hot commodity. If the American Idol franchise manages to pass 150 Hot 100 singles (which is very likely), passing Presley's record (even if it doesn't really count since it is made up of the careers dozens of individual artists), I can almost guarantee Fox will mention that a lot on their television series, thus sparking interest in seeing such a list. Believe me, this information only becomes more valuable with time, as long as it is kept alive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.204.96 (talk) 04:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC) — 142.167.204.96 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep I'll admit my reluctance to say anything positive about anything connected with this show, but the argument just above by the anon editor seems to make the case well: this shows the significance of the show and complements the main article. DGG (talk) 20:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per 142.167.204.96, I was going to state the same thing. The relevance of this annoying show? It's in the cultural impact and ability to launch artists who sell music. This should be cleaned up a bit and possibly renamed to note its a list. -- Banjeboi 04:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this is a collection of notable singles which share a common origin, seems fine to me. Also not so long that stricter criteria are needed for inclusion. Furthermore, I don't believe I could find the #1 singles easily by looking through the artists' pages. Brownsnout spookfish (talk)
  • Strong keep as per above, list of notable singles which share a common origin. Ikip (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant Keep - DGG sums up my views perfectly. Rlendog (talk) 14:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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