Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amedio Jungle

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JHunterJ (talk • contribs) 16:09, October 27, 2007 (UTC)

Amedio Jungle[edit]

This is all obvious cruft and plot summary information Pilotbob 04:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the pages below for the same reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilotbob (talk • contribs) 04:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 08:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or redirect to an appropriate list such as List of fictional locations (Dungeons & Dragons). The place descriptions come from the D&D settings & maps made up for the game instructions, and hence the primary sources have no fictional significance per se. Lots of ghits from fansites, but no reliable secondary source to demonstrate notability.--Gavin Collins 08:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or redirect as per above. It needs better sources; the majority are not secondary. Subject is quite notable in the D&D niche however, but secondary sources need to show it. Ukulele 19:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Oerth and Krynn absolutely -- they're as major as things come in D&D, being the worlds that two of the biggest settings for D&D, Greyhawk and Dragonlance, take place on. I'd keep Flanaess, as well, as it's a pretty significant location on Oerth, but I'd be fine with merging Amedio Jungle into Flanaess, which needs work and could be improved by merging some of the smaller areas into it. I'm not sure how I feel about Pharagos: The Battleground... if someone can think of a good place to merge it, that would be OK, but I haven't thought of a place for it. (This nomination isn't a very good use of AfD bundling, as the things in question are at quite different levels of importance.) Pinball22 15:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I can understand why a location may be used frequently as a game setting, and hence all the ghits on fansites. However, can you explain why these locations come to have notability? Arem't they just names taken from a book of game settings? --Gavin Collins 16:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 17:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Oerth and Krynn are more than just "names"... they're the setting of large numbers of modules and novels, and are directly the subject of various books that are specifically information about these worlds to provide background for campaigns set on them -- [1], [2], [3] are some examples. Pinball22 18:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can't comment about the notability of the books you have cited, but unless I am mistaken, they are categorised as primary sources. Copying the place names from a book instructions does not make these books or places any more notable. I will admit that writing books that mimic D&D does make commercial sense, but there are no secondary sources to demonstrate commercial or literaty notability. --Gavin Collins 22:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Oerth and Krynn, definitely. The sheer volume of books written by various authors that take place in these settings is enough to warrant it.Allegrorondo 17:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Bad choice for group deletion proposal. -- JHunterJ 17:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Oerth and Krynn are at least as notable as Faerun. The Flanaess is the place where all the action on Oerth takes place, so keep that as well. Amedio Jungle could be merged into Flanaess, and I don't know the significance/notability of Pharagos. BOZ 18:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There are good references about the game itself, but notability is not inherited. I agree with User:Gavin.collins -- make a list page for all the games locations -- if not simply a section of the main article. Llajwa 19:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem seems to be that they're larger than that. Krynn, for one, is the setting of *checks* HOLY EFFIN EXPLETIVE 190 NOVELS, and as mentioned above, analytical works have been published specifically about it. --Kizor 19:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep And add references to secondary sources. There must be plenty. Rray 22:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Really bad choice for mass nomination. Flanaess, Oerth, and Krynn are all major -- between them there must be nearly a thousand books published about/set in/dedicating one or more chapters to these places. Thus without prejudice toward later re-nomination, I recommend closing this proposal. CRGreathouse (t | c) 04:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I keep hearing about how this is a poor choice for mass nominiation. I would like to withdrawl this nomination (if possible) so the individual articles that may pass notability criteria (or for which notability can be established) can be considered separately from the others that may not. Pilotbob 04:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Pinball22.--Robbstrd 06:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Snowball keep in particular for Krynn, which is the subject of a helluva of most notable books, games and series... --Raistlin 13:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Krynn and Oerth; they have certainly been the subject of multiple, non-trivial works, though independence I'm not sure about (does it have to be independent of TSR/WotC or just Hickmann & Weis?). Abstain on others, I haven't come across them. Percy Snoodle 14:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.