Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amazin' (Trina album)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Although the version nominated [1] was dubious in respect of WP:CRYSTAL, the additional information and sources that have appeared over the course of the AfD eventually lead to a clear and obvious consensus to keep it. ~ mazca ^talk 16:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amazin' (Trina album)[edit]

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Non-notable unreleased album with little media coverage of substance. Article mostly sourced from YouTube, Twitter, and a fan site. Fails WP:NALBUM (see also: WP:CRYSTAL). TheJazzDalek (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —TheJazzDalek (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Essentially unsourced. Hasn't charted. Don't see significant coverage. Fails WP:NALBUM. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep but needs work. The album is confirmed, but there are better sources out there than what has been provided thus far.Strikerforce (talk) 07:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Being confirmed is not one of the criteria at WP:NALBUM. TheJazzDalek (talk) 08:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." So, the question now becomes, is Trina considered notable? If so, then it can be reasonably assumed that this album may have sufficient notability to have an individual article on Wikipedia. Strikerforce (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - "...officially released albums may have sufficient notability..." This does not say that albums by notable artists are notable; it allows that there is a good chance that they are. The album still has to meet notability guidelines. Remember, "notability is not inherited". TheJazzDalek (talk) 00:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. This album is released by a notable artist, on a notable label (EMI is the biggest in the world, last time I checked), featuring other notable artists (I dare you to try telling me Sean Combs is not notable). If you delete this album, then you have to delete all the other albums she released (they've all been on major labels). Plus there is a source I put in which provides plenty of info. Tom Danson (talk) 17:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct—Trina is certainly notable, as is EMI, and there are indeed notable guest artists appearing on the album. Where you are misguided is your thinking that all of her other albums need be deleted if this one is. You see, this particular album has not yet been released and so, none too surprisingly, has not been reviewed or garnered any other media coverage of substance; her other albums have. I suggest you check the criteria at WP:NALBUM, paying particular attention to the part that says "unreleased albums are in general not notable". TheJazzDalek (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's less than two months before this album is released. Most of us don't want to have to try restoring it again after it's been deleted. If you must do anything, redirect it to Trina (rapper) until we get the final tracklisting (which a good deal is sourced and covered here) and cover. Tom Danson (talk) 20:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per WP:CRYSTAL. -- Atama頭 17:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It feels good to be a member of the Wikipedian Inclusionist Party, doesn't it? Just be patient, deletionists; the album is set to drop in 39 days, so I think that pretty soon, an official tracklisting and cover will be released, rendering enough information to make this notable and rendering this debate moot. Conservata Veritate/Wikipedia is not paper, Tom Danson (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- And here both the cover and the tracklisting are. This should be a Strong Keep now. I'm not worried about the 3-2 margin for deletion, because AfD is not a vote. Tom Danson (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NALBUM now that title, track listing and release date all have been confirmed by the record label. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per User:Tom Danson and User:Paul Erik - album is notable and confirmed. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.