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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Fabrictramp (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amaryllis Knight

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Completion of incomplete AfD nomination. No rationale given. Blanchardb-Me•MyEars•MyMouth-timed 14:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per notability policy. Although the article is about the co-founder of a notable company this does not automaticly mean the person is notable. The only news third party source i could find with her name it in was not directly about her and only mentioned her as the founder of this company and went into no detail about here hence does not indicate notability. Added comment I just went through all the refrences and only 2 of them mentioned her and in these two articles they pretty much just mentioned her as part of a non-proffit group with other people. Notablility guidlines state that the coverage must be significant to indicate notablity and these sources do not go into any detail of the person what so ever. Printer222 (talk) 14:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets WP:BIO Amaryllis Knight just won 2008 Custom Culture Award for Best Motorcycle at Legend of the Motorcycle on May 3, 2008. Much press has come out about this person in the past week, there are references on her page to articles that tell of how she crossed the world with Jack Osbourne doing a tv show and car rally etc., I will go to clean them up now. As well as being part of a very high profile English family, and having done notible work with refugee children, being noted on the Oprah Winfrey show. -- There is no reason to delete this person. She is of interest to many and is about to become of much more.Ash773 | talk 07:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:BIO Notability established through mentions in several reliable independent sources. This person was on a prime time television series that aired throughout Europe in which she starred with Jack Osbourne. She is not just a business person, but a television personality, as well as being noted in the press as a builder of the falcon motorcycles (see references) and as others have noted, comes from a prominent family of public interest . Motoguzzi2 | talk 04:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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delete no general notability. The company is a niche company, not necessarily important enough that its ceo is automatically important, and the evidence in the articles cited does not show she was the principal designer of the prize winning bike. On the contrary--the LA Times article headline says "Custom ace Ian Barry and actor Jason Lee are behind the Bullet Falcon". I trust their reporter more than the above arguments. Similarly, the articles on the tour refer to her partner as the important figure. Again, I trust the reporters on this. The SF Chronicle article heralded above merely mentions her. The references do not at all support the claims in the article. As for minor issues, being on Ophrah by itself is not notability. Her notable family does not make her notable. Her charitable campaign does not have a WP articles, so its hard to judge. I note that all the substantial information in this article is already in the article on the company. DGG (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep person is of notability. Many are missing a point. She was the co-lead with Jack Osbourne of a vastly successful prime time television series in Europe. Falcon Motorcycles, having just won 'best custom motorcycle' at Legend Of The Motorcycle, the worlds only international concours for motorcycles, is a far cry from a niche company, but rather the premeir custom motorcycle builders in the eyes of the motorcycle industry at large, for the year 2008. Knight is noted in all articles as being a joint partner in Falcon and an active part in the sourcing and design of the bikes (as per intersection magazine linked to article - and in the linked San Francisco Chronicle they cite Knight and Ian Barry as being given the award jointly for the build of the Bullet Falcon Motorcycle.) When viewing the Legend Of The Motorcycle press page on the Legends website itself, Knight is covered in as many photographs as Barry, and in their literature, it is clearly stated that the Bullet Falcon was built by "Ian Barry & Amaryllis Knight of Falcon Motorcycles". See photograph of Legend Of The Motorcycle plaque labeling bike at the international concours, and the award was presented by [Jesse G. James]] to both Knight and Barry jointly. I agree that having notible family does not make Knight notable, but when added to the list of things that do, her family being notable is certainly of public interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.173.250.70 (talk) 01:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as above, Meets WP:BIO. Also I note: nowhere in any of the sources or referenced articles is Knight named the "COO" of Falcon, in fact, only in the wiki article is this the case. In the San Francisco Chronicle Knight is named as the co-builder of the Bullet Falcon, with Ian Barry for Falcon Motorcycles, and in other literature she is either named as the co-builder (such as the Legend Of The Motorcycle documentation, or as a joint partner in the Falcon Venture as well as the chief source of rare parts that make up the motorcycles themselves. Is The LA Times journalist is to believed, then the motorcycle is "Mary Shelly" -d together with rare parts and pieces, which according to the editor of Intersection magazine, is left entirely to Knight to source from her travels around the world. There are many 3rd party sources citing Knights Notability. Tackat | talk 07:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets WP:BIO. Article has multiple third-party sources. Amaryllis Knight is a British television personality and of equal interest (literally and figuratively) in Falcon Motorcycles as Ian Barry. She is according to all articles I can find on line, as well as the Legend of the Motorcycle website and resources, an equal part of the design process as Ian Barry seems to be, with the exception being the LA Times article who states simply that Falcon Motorcycles belongs to her an d Barry. [(talk) states above that the Times article talks of Barry and Jason Lee being behind the Bullet falcon. This is a figure of speech - the reality is, as stated in the San Francisco Chronicle article that Barry and Knight built the Bullet Falcon for Actor Jason Lee. This is reconfirmed in the Legend Of The Motorcycle references and Press photographs on their website and in print. Knight is also a British television personality as well as of interest as the member of her high profile family. Agreed as above that this does not stand alone as being notable, but is of additional interest. The other points: Oprah / charity etc. again would not stand alone as notable, but are interesting pieces of information to add to her article. [User:LAmusic3|LAmusic3]] | talk 22:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I find it interesting that all the keep comments are formatted with ----- lines separating them, something I have never seen before at AfD. The ones after my comment, and after Marasmusine's, were added by some one of the "keep" editors, apparently in their view of what AfD is like. I will let the closing administrator draw their own conclusions. DGG (talk) 15:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment' I personally formatted all the different keep comments on this page with ----- lines separating each of them them last night, when posting my keep comment above, I did not know that this had any meaning, and did it as I thought it was aesthetically pleasing.. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused. Thank you to DGG for pointing this out as being new to posting on a AfD page, I would have kept doing it everywhere had you not! [User:LAmusic3|LAmusic3]] | talk 09:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets WP:BIO, and has third-party sources. I have cleaned up and re-organized the article in the hope that it is clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfmoon3 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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