Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amanbek Esen Uulu

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 02:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Amanbek Esen Uulu[edit]

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Non-notable ice hockey player. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable ice hockey player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails ATHLETE. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 17:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep played at an international level for his national team, which does pass ATHLETE. Delete: GuzzyG (talk) 15:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @L3X1: @GuzzyG: One of you says says it meets WP:Athlete, the other says no. I looked into that standard, and that got me to the Hockey requirements for notability: WP:NHOCKEY and WP:NHOCKEY/LA. I asked this question on the talk page of WP:NHOCKEY/LA. If either of you can quote the standard that clearly says yes or no--I don't know much about hockey, but interested in learning the standards we use for sports players, since there are so many articles on them... --David Tornheim (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: On the surface, there's enough discussion here to close this, but I'd really like to see an answer to User:David Tornheim's question before closing.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Happy to do so. No, simply having played for a national team does not meet NHOCKEY and never has; even for teams from highly notable hockey nations such as Canada, such teams often play long exhibition schedules with greatly varying rosters, and the aging minor-leaguers and fringe amateurs playing for the "Canadian national team" in November tend to be traded out for NHL players in the spring. The applicable criterion of NHOCKEY only applies, and only ever has applied, to players for national teams competing at the Olympics, in the top pool of the World Championships, or in highly notable tournaments such as the Canada Cup. (We've never defined the language of the latter because the IIHF itself has frequently changed it, whether "top pool" or "First Division" or "Division A" or "Division A, A Group" or the like.) Kyrgyzstan has never competed in this pool, and no Kirghiz player is accorded presumptive notability. Ravenswing 22:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Ravenswing --David Tornheim (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I changed my vote to delete. Every other sport uses the international team as a metric of international notability so i sloppily assumed Ice Hockey was the same. GuzzyG (talk) 02:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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