Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AllyCAD

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AllyCAD

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Deprodded by WP:SPA with no rationale. My PROD concern was "Not seeing how this passes WP:NSOFT/GNG. BEFORE does not show any reviews or in-depth coverage, only press releases and mentions in passing." _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 02:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep: Nomination/BEFORE has various issues and entitled to speedy under WP:CSK 2. Allegations of deProdder ZengaONE as WP:SPA behind the back here and not the talk page are concerning. The Quick succession of Template:notabilty at the same time of PROD gave short period for addressing concerns in the altered current lockdown conditions in many places. The passing mention claims, we have ISBN:0853620792 P:20088 to start. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Djm-leighpark: It would help us a lot if you could cite (link and quote, preferably) the sources you found, see comments below. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't see coverage that would let us keep this article. I don't see anything that can justify a SK2 or any other speedy keep—the {{Notability}} tag was unnecessary, but ultimately does not materially affect things. Djm-leighpark, I can't find any signs that AllyCAD was even mentioned in the book you cited, in either digitised copy [1] [2]. Would it be possible for you to provide a quote? Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quote: "SNA Civil and structural engineers and longstanding users of civil Designer and AllyCAD and have integrated the software with great success into their branches. The infrastructure design software was used to produce the final designs for the Thaba'Nchu Community development project". The general idea of of WP:BEFORE is to seek out alternatives to deletion and to give time for such a such a search, especially for a long standing article; which is why the criteria C.3 suggests that. There are also possibilities the nom. is taking a targetted WP:HOUND attack at on one contributor in one particular subject area without seeking consensus at WikiProject level ... but now I'm getting into WP:WPA area. The link I have using is for South African Institution of Civil Engineers, 2007 - Civil engineering Volume 15. There is further quote on that on October 2007 P.24 .... The google book id I note is l_kRAQAAMAAJ. 19:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Setting aside other issues, the provided quote seems like a passing mention of the subject, and not in-depth coverage. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did see that one in the Google book results, and I would have to agree with the nom that it's only a passing mention. "AllyCAD" This Financial Mail result seems like it could be a possible hit, but although I couldn't identify which article it is from the Google snippet, or find a full text, I suspect it is also a passing mention in an article about exports from multiple companies. Supposedly Dow Jones Factiva has the journal in question but I haven't been able to find it there either. I just don't see any significant coverage of this software. Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus has pinged me on this to provide further details and I will simply comment that what is a usefully described feature to one eyes in an advert to another with a negative POV. I see the above as more than a passing mention and those with a negative POV will call it passing. The Financial Mail result I took as only passing, but it was difficult to view. I believe Chief Designer is (perhaps not obviously) from the same company and a merge may be in order .... though I expect someone to hunk that up to AfD. The software seems to have most impact in South Africa ... unless I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've dabbled through some DB:V refs to indicate WP:NSOFT presumption met due to widespread educational use in South Africa. Twxit Lockdown with shut libraries and link-rot since 2000s thats not really bad going.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG. Just a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL software, most of whose citations are primary sources. Completely lacked sustained WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources in the WP:BEFORE search I did. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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