Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Robson

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 15:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alice Robson[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. A source from a hospital or a university reporting on their own history, a passing mention, and primary sources? While being one of the first four to do something is an achievement, it doesn't automatically make someone notable, as there are by definition thousands of women to be the first to graduate in X at university Y. Lacks significant attention in independent sources. Fram (talk) 15:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete there is not enough reliable 3rd party sourcing to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm seeing articles in medical journals; those should qualify as independent. She was one of the first two to graduate with a medical degree; they graduated the same day, so it does seem like a tie for first, doesn't it? First female in your coutry to have a medical degree is something. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- One article, in one medical journal, spends one line on Alice Robson ([1] this is the same article, from a sister journal, available online: see page 240). The result here is very similar and equally lacks depth of attention to Robson. The moment, the event, is important: the person not so much. Fram (talk) 07:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have found other articles in popular US newspapers under her maiden name. I'll scour newspaper databases for more coverage. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- And do any of them do anything but drop her name as "one of the graduates"? Because more passing mentions just show that the event of women graduating in Glasgow got some attention at the time, but not that Alice Robson herself got any real attention. Fram (talk) 14:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she received more than passing mentions in the articles under her name at the time. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Her graduation as a medical student was internationally and widely reported, with some nontrivial detail about her rather than merely dropping her name; see e.g. this US report on the educational status of women, and with nontrivial coverage of her in modern sources e.g. this one (despite being a wordpress link, as an official publication of a university library I think it counts as reliable enough). The discussion of her work at Addenbrooke [2] saves this from BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good finds. Thanks for adding them. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per the sources provided by David Eppstein. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've sometimes suggested deletion when there is absolutely no other evidence of notability for the first people in a particular underrepresented group to do something , but this should be much more flexible for people in earlier periods when there was active discrimination against them, and when the importance is on a national basis. DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per David Eppstein and DGG. XOR'easter (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep good work by David Eppstein and thanks to DGG Victuallers (talk) 12:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Great work, guys. Bearian (talk) 02:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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