Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Baba Khan

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The result was keep. Despite some questionable "keep" opinions, the support for deletion is just not there. Sandstein 12:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Baba Khan[edit]

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Being a singer is not in itself grounds for notability, so the question is whether there are multiple reliable, independent sources that discuss the person in depth.. I ran quick Google search and found this and this. (both cited in the article)

Both news stories contains namedrops, and quotes from the subject, which longstanding practice holds cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. In no source presented can I find the subject discussed with the "significant coverage" WP:GNG requires. Saqib (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Not enough coverage in multiple reliable references. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 12:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per DBigXray. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He has lot of coverage in Urdu and Pashto languages as he itself a Pashto language singer. like some reliable sources from Radio Mashaal: 1, 2, 3 and 4, from RadioBuner this from Dhanak London this, from Daily Jang this and this, this and many others. علی بابا خان Google Urdu/Pashto Search Ainty Painty (talk) 07:14, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mashaal Radio links (1, 2, 3, and 4) are not opening for me. Rest of the sources are not even reliable enough to support claims within an article, let alone to establish WP:N. Jang is a RS but it does not discusses the subject in detail. Also there's no point in posting links to Google search results -> WP:GHITS. --Saqib (talk) 08:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:48, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep With reliable sources like (DAWN, Jang, The Express Tribune, Radio Mashaal and The Frontier Post etc ) the subject have also a lot of other sources too. But the others sources doesn't mean that they are valueless, it also make some sense. Na Maloom Fard (talk) 06:00, 26 September 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Na Maloom Fard (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

You need to provide links to coverage. Saqib (talk) 06:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some sources :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Na Maloom Fard (talk) 15:31, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not a single source is a RS. You above claimed that subject has received coverage in Dawn, The Express Tribune etc. Saqib (talk) 11:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I just mentioned these because as I told the subject besides having RS also having other sources which also make some sense. Here are RS: The Express Tribune, DAWN, The Frontier Post and Daily Jang Na Maloom Fard (talk) 12:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These news stories contains namedrops, and quotes from the subject, which longstanding practice holds cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. Saqib (talk) 13:55, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As per nominator and next editor, the sources are not independent. The coverage consists largely of vanity hits, which anyone can facilitate. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nomination, and Robert above this comment. I couldnt find significant coverage for the subject. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is a real hero of pashto language, he introduce trance music in pashto, also modern sofism in pashto, Tribute to his great work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.60.8.242 (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC) — 39.60.8.242 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep The sources provided is reliable. He is the first sufi rock singer of pashtoons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.9.64 (talk) 17:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC) — 43.245.9.64 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. [reply]
keep Ali Baba Khan is the best singer of kpk. He introduce Sufi rock music in pashto music industry.N], The Frontier Post and Daily Jang shows that he is the first artist to tribute to Rahman Baba — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.9.113 (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC) — 43.245.9.113 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. [reply]
Keep With reliable sources like (DAWN, Jang, The Express Tribune, Radio Mashaal and The Frontier Post etc ) I have seen these sources to make me sure that its a relaible sources .Yes Ali Baba Khan is a sufi singer of pashtoons.I love his songs Dozakhi and janat hoora. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.255.6.107 (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC) — 103.255.6.107 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep Passes WP:SIGCOV due to detailed coverage in independent major Pakistani print media such as The Express Tribune, DAWN, The Frontier Post and Daily Jang as linked above by Na Maloom Fard. --DBig Xrayᗙ 09:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comments above pertaining to the coverage you provided. --Saqib (talk) 08:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep This sources given below shows its relaible.He tribute Rehman Baba by the name of titled Malang Abdur Rehman. He is a Sufi Singer of pashto music.this and this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.9.61 (talk) 15:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC) — 43.245.9.61 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. [reply]
keep this the source provided is a genuine and reliable.Pashto Sufi singer Ali Baba Khan released his video titled ‘Malang Abdur Rahman’ to pay tribute to legendary 17th Sufi poet Rahman Baba.Ali Baba Khan is a genuine Artist singer of kpk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.11.24 (talk) 15:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC) — 43.245.11.24 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. [reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hopefully we can get some non-sock input so we can make an informed decision on this one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 16:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Dawn source looks convincing. Can't say anything about the other sources as I haven't looked them into much detail yet. Mar4d (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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