Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alf Stewart's Rape Dungeon

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The result was delete. Though there is some disagreement over whether the subject passes WP:GNG, the WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:BLP arguments point to a delete result. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alf Stewart's Rape Dungeon[edit]

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Five minutes of notoriety about to expire, fails WP:NOT#NEWS, WP:WEB and WP:NOTFILM, no lasting significance and failed notability. WWGB (talk) 11:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 12:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 12:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Well the first article about it is dated 2010, and it was in today's paper, so I'm thinking that is more than 5 minutes, no? Deathlibrarian

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 14:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Well, nobody wants to opine on this one so I'll start. This is essentially a couple YouTube videos with a naughty parody theme, backed with a Facebook fan group. The series seems to have generated furor both with the righteously offended and with cultural opportunists looking to be offended. It had its 15 minutes in the sun and was the recipient of what might be called ordinary and expected news coverage. While there are sources showing, they seem to me to be dismissable on NOTNEWS grounds, even though the "news" was thoroughly manufactured on the proverbial slow news day. The bottom line isn't that this is offensive — I haven't checked the videos, but the concept is sort of funny in a sick way, which is neither here nor there — the bottom line is that this is not a subject of lasting cultural importance, nor is it encyclopedic in any but the most expansive sense. It's a borderline call. Carrite (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
merge to Ray Meagher: the incident is briefly mentioned there in a very unclear fashion, so bearing in mind all the reputable sources given for this article it would make sense to merge it there and redirect so anyone who's really interested can find it. (Even though there are a few reliable sources on this article, it doesn't count as notable due to NOTNEWS/single-event status.) I might suggest a redirect, but you'd then get to Meagher and have no obvious idea what the rape dungeon was, so a full or selective merge is better. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (without merge): As per nom Harsh (talk) 15:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : I believe, considering these works were first written about in 2010, and were last reported in 2012 they qualify for WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:PERSISTENCE - as their existence is more persistent than something that is having simply "15 minutes in the sun".....WP:NOTNEWS does not apply. Not sure why people keep trying to push this angle when the dates of the articles are clearly indicated in the article's references. I agree, if an article was being put up about them in 2010 it would have qualified for WP:NOTNEWS at that point, but not now. Also, there are now quite a lot of these videos, with many hundreds of thousands of views, and two of the videos have now been exhibited at the Sydney_Underground_Film_Festival as short films where the director spoke. So to just call these a "couple YouTube videos" seems.....a little bit minimalist!. User:deathlibrarian (talk) 128.250.5.247 (talk) 07:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you can document mainstream media coverage of the director speaking at the festival, I'd be happy to get out of the way. Carrite (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All these articles refer to the director speaking at the Sydney_Underground_Film_Festival about this work

“Home and Away actor’s gritty new role” The Morning Bulletin, 7th September 2012.
Taylor, Andrew. “Actor Verballed into a foul tirade” The Age, September 5, 2012
Murada, Laura “Risque films at Underground Film Festival” Inner-West Weekly, 6 September 2012
“Sydney Underground Film Festival” The Glebe, 5 September 2012
Thomas, Sarah “Festival” The Sydney Morning Herald, 7 September 2012

Cheers - User:deathlibrarian (talk)

Comment. After almost two weeks, the only keep !vote comes from the article's author. Over to you, closing Admin. WWGB (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:GNG. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 09:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG, raises WP:BLP issues. There's one news article from May 24, 2010[1] that was reprinted in a few places on May 24th and 25th and a BLP damage control reply news article in the Herald Sun on August 6, 2010 that notes, "Judy Nunn has leapt to the defence of her former on-screen husband Ray Meagher after he was linked to a Facebook page promoting rape. Gold Logie winner Meagher, who plays lovable TV stalwart Alf Stewart on Home and Away, also appears in character on YouTube clips with offensive words dubbed over his own. ... 'So I think he's bewildered by it, but the one thing that I know would anger him, does anger him as it angers me, and I think any intelligent person, is that anybody that puts this sort of stuff out without their name to it is just of course the ultimate coward.' " That's seems to be it for the reliable source information. Let's not continue to count Wikipedia in the list of those causing angst in Ray Meagher's personal life. Per WWGB above, over to you, closing Admin. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 08:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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