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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Kluge[edit]

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Delete: as non-notable actress and/or physician. Quis separabit? 03:21, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete just plain not notable in either career.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:33, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep Quis separabit?, are you sure you want to proceed with this? It's a famous German actress and possibly one of the most decorated people in the history of Wikipedia to stand for deletion. A momentary lapse of reason? You do need to look left and right before you nominate an article. For this actress you do not need to look far at all. gidonb (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - A Deutscher Filmpreis Best Actress winner up for AfD??? The star of the German Film Award for Best Fiction Film winner Yesterday Girl is not in any way "just plain not notable." Just a 5 second search shows very in-depth coverage from the likes of Die Zeit and Der Tagesspiegel. [1][2]. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung called her "die Ikone des Jungen Deutschen Films" ("the icon of the New German Cinema").[3] I can't imagine the nom nor the delete voter above having adhered to WP:BEFORE. Might this be a case of systemic bias? This has got to be one of the most ill-informed and, quite frankly, embarrassing AfDs I've seen.--Oakshade (talk) 06:36, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep More indepth biography in German and in English. The version of this article on dewiki is also well written and sourced, it can be used to expand this greatly. I tagged it for that. An aside: I don't see much wrong from the nom, sometime these kind of articles linger for several years unremembered in a shoddy state until this kind of situation ignite the desire of improving them, as I am sure now it will be at least better than it was. Notwithstanding this, I believe WP:BEFORE is very important. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CThomas3 (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CThomas3 (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I know she has an article in German Wikipedia but discerned no notability in the English-language version,
HOWEVER;
UPON THE ADVICE OF FELLOW WIKIPEDIANS, NOMINATION IS WITHDRAWN. Quis separabit? 22:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Quis separabit?, you're confusing notability with references. These are apples and oranges. There were few references. Even if there are no references, it does not make a person non-notable. We have a whole set of rules for notability. gidonb (talk) 02:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Quis separabit, not being able to discern notability in the English-language version of a topic known primarily in a non-English speaking country is every reason to hold off on AfD and at least perform a simple cursory search either by google or even just clicking on the German language version. An important part of countering systemic bias is not automatically deleting or AfD-ing articles of primarily non-English topics simply because the current condition of the English-language version doesn't obviously show notability at brief glance. In this case, being the star of the very critically acclaimed Yesterday Girl should've been enough to give pause to AfD to even the most enthusiastic deletionist. --Oakshade (talk) 03:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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