Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Schott

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. See the Ackerman AfD, which I'm also taking into account to some degree. The "merge" opinions appear to be moot, as Schott is (now?) mentioned in Service number (United States Marine Corps). Sandstein 07:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Schott

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Just being first alphabetically when the USMC started issuing service numbers does not make someone notable, also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Ackerman (USMC). ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 19:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: This is a well referenced article about the person who is listed in every military history textbook that I have read about service numbers as having the first United States Marine Corps enlisted service number in history. There is a large collection about his life on file at the Marine Corps historical society and his service record has been deemed "Person of Exceptional Prominence" (PEP) by the National Personnel Records Center. A very obvious keep; was surprised to see this up for deletion along with James Ackerman (USMC). See Arthur Crean for another military service first and Jack W. Hill for another USMC notable service numebr article. -OberRanks (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Prove it that he's in "every military history textbook." Having the first number alone is absolutely not notable. I can't find anything on Books or Scholar. Reywas92^Talk 20:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources are already stated in the article. There are at least two volumes about him on file at the Marine Corps historical society. I could probably find several more military history textbooks which mention his name. -OberRanks (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: Should be mentioned in Service number (United States Marine Corps), and that's about it.—Kww(talk) 20:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I just got an e-mail that he is mentioned in "USMC: A Complete History" by Jon Hoffmann which covers his World War I service and speaks of his significance as the holder of the first enlisted service number in the United States Marine Corps history. -OberRanks (talk) 20:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or smerge. Even on the assumption that getting the first service number is somehow notable, this is, at best, WP:BIO1E. Indeed, there is no reason to believe that the mentions in the "military history textbooks", if they exist, are anything more than trivial. Service record copies obviously cannot establish notability, otherwise every single serviceman would be notable. (also posted, mutatis mutandis, on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Ackerman (USMC).Tim Song (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: He's had some mention in several significant historical accounts, and all of the refs are good reliable sources. While I'm not expecting WAX to make a good deletion argument, my opinion is that he's at least far more notable than, say, Paris Hilton. bahamut0013^words _deeds 10:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge G~~ain~~Line ♠ _♥ 10:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are a multitude of articles on military officers on WP but damned few on the enlisted. If it had been an officer that got the first MC serial number theywould have probably found an excuse to give him a medal.(just kidding, don't get yer hackles up) If he's sourced I don't see what the problem is. Cuprum17 (talk) 17:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge & Delete. Insufficient references to meet notability, as none of them appear to be indepth enough to warrant notability with so few references. Furthermore, unless the individual was awarded any notable awards (thus he'd be covered under WP:ANYBIO), he falls under WP:BIO1E, therefore pertinent information should be merged into the article Service number (United States Marine Corps), and the rest should be deleted and replaced with a redirect. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO and merge any relevant material. Article does not sufficiently meet notability guidelines for inclusion. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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