Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex (Street Fighter)

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The result was redirect to List of Street Fighter characters#Alex. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 14:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alex (Street Fighter)[edit]

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Character seems to fail WP:GNG. The only references I can find are brief news article mentions of his appearance in Street Fighter V as well as list articles (trivial mentions). A large chunk of the article is WP:OR. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Reception is limited to listicles that he was voted n-th something, which a recent RSN discussion are not reliable and not sufficient for establishing notability. As such, this fails WP:NFICTION. No objection to merging the reception content to the list of SF characters, which could benefit from this - but this is not enough to warrant a stand-alone entry. The rest of the article is usual WP:FANCRUFT (plot summary etc.). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I just want to point out that the "RSN discussion" you've linked is a discussion where two other editors, including yourself, gave your opinions suggesting a blanket ban on listicles, which do not necessarily reflect a community-wide consensus on the use of similar-styled sources in general and certainly not a guideline that other editors must follow. Plenty of reliable sources vetted under VG/RS publish "listicles" or "top character lists" which do provide meaningful, nuanced commentary. Haleth (talk) 00:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't change the fact that the discussion was held on a public forum and resulted in a clear consensus. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree that a mere two or three users form a clear consensus for the entire wiki project, which is what you are trying to say here. Going by your reasoning, 3 users including myself have expressed our concerns in a public forum about editors not expressing a nuanced view when treating all articles and sources, listicles or otherwise, on a case by case basis by judging the merits of the actual work's quality as opposed to their format. If anything, it should have been properly listed and canvassed as a Request for Comment or RfC by an admin or experienced editor, and the consensus closed as such. Haleth (talk) 08:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I am of the opinion that listicles should not be blanket banned, as they can be useful information sources, but they should also not be upheld as evidence of notability if that is all that there is to a character's reception. That is because listicles often tend to list every single character of a game or series, which points more to the game/series's notability, not the character._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Much of these reads like content from a fan wiki (see WP:FANCRUFT and WP:PLOT) and as mentioned above, has issues with WP:OR. I agree with Piotrus' idea of merging the reception content, that's the most solid section of the article and can be used at List of Street Fighter characters#Alex. MagPlex ^{(talk · contribs)} 09:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:GNG and WP:OR concerns. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 11:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect reception section to the character's entry in the "List of Street Fighter characters" article, there's no reason why the character does not even warrant an entry there. Most of the cited sources, listicle or not, does not provide adequate meaningful commentary on the character to sustain a standalone article. Haleth (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the reception part to List of Street Fighter characters#Alex - not independently notable but we must consider alternatives to deletion Spiderone 19:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Street Fighter characters#Alex - There's really not a whole lot to merge here - most of the information in non-sourced or using primary sources, and those few secondary sources in the "Reception" section are, as pointed out above, nothing more than mentions in listicles rather than any actual meaningful commentary. Rorshacma (talk) 19:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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