Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alessandro Giardelli

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The result was delete. I am ignoring the Keep comments as they are almost certainly all sock puppets. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alessandro Giardelli[edit]

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Youth driver only competing in lower classes. On the Dutch Wikipedia a sockpuppet investigation is initiated towards the main accounts writing here. Looks like promotion. The Banner talk 10:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, hasn't even made it to cars yet. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 13:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep I think the article should remain because in any case we talk about a professional driver who took part in the Karting world championship and won his national championship and also has already tested cars like f4 and formula renault.Racingdark (Talk) 18:47, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- Just testing? The Banner talk 17:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

not not of the normal tests but the official tests of the championship plus they made them with the team press one of the most important teams in the field of the single-seaters where they raced drivers for example Charles Leclerc, in addition to this with the karts in course the world championship in the maximum KZ1 category, winning a race and competing both with the CRG official team and with the official Tony Kart team, who are the reference teams for world karting, so I think we can recognize that the driver in question is a professonist to all effects.Racingdark (Talk) 19:33 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you prove that with independent, reliable sources? The Banner talk 17:35, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can easily prove it with sources with the utmost transparency and reliability, some of these are already in the reference section of the page, they have all been published by very renowned and important motorsport sources. Racingdark (Talk) 20:10 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete Doesn't appear to meet any of the criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT. PohranicniStraze (talk) 20:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep how can you say that it does not meet the criteria? I think it's an insult to a sport like karting, how can a driver who took part in the KZ1category at the world championships and win a race and win the Italian championship, and participate in the official tests with the formula 4 with a team like Prema Powerteam does not fit the Wikipedia criteria? Cavalier3456 (talk) 22:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For your information.
I have instigated a sockpuppet investigation as I do not think all participants in this article are genuine. You can see the investigation here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Toprace2345. The Banner talk 21:33, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Note that Cavalier and Racingdark have been blocked, one being a sockpuppet, the other being a possible behavioral meatpuppet. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 23:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article for me must remain because in reality it falls under WP: NMOTORSPORT because it has participated in various professional championship with professional teams [1]such as the Karting World Championship in the highest category KZ1 and with the official team Tony Kart [2]and the official team CRG (kart manufacturer) [3]also win a round [4]and win the Italian Open Masters [5]championship the highest level of Italian karting so that we can consider it a professional driver for all the effects and it is not true that he never used a car he did official tests with Formula 4 in official tests whit Formula 4 with the team Prema Powerteam one of the most important teams in the field of single-seaters and he participated to official tests with formula renault apart from the fact that karting can be considered a professional sport [6], so when one reaches them Higher than a sport should be considered encyclopedic.

Jvst1 (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- Another especially created account using the same layout errors as Cavalier3456 and Racingdark. The Banner talk 08:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a non-notable person failing WP:GNG with no reliable independent in-depth sources focused on the subject rather than a race. Directory entries, brief mentions, race reports. The closest is leccotoday, but it's very brief and says almost nothing about the person. Does not look like any of the WP:NMOTORSPORT exception apply. Also salt due to socks. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 09:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have anything to do, I'm just an enthusiastic user of karting and motorsports in general, who yesterday entered Wikipedia by chance before I had never registered and by chance I saw this discussion and decided to have my say by doing a research on the pilot in question in addition to this I discovered that the driver in question took part in an professional entire car championship, that is, the Italian Formula 4 championship rejects 2018.[7] Jvst1 (talk) 11:31, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What an interesting source. This a wiki (not a reliable source) about a racing class in 2018 but last edited in 2017. Sorry, not usable. The Banner talk 09:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Jvst1 is yet another Giardelli's sockpuppet. --Vituzzu (talk) 11:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I ask that the article remain because it is a professional driver who has competed in the top karting category KZ1 in the world championship by winning a race [[8]] ,and has race with professional teams like Tony Kart and therefore falls under WP: NMOTORSPORT and I also did a search and found many articles about the person in question. F1fansinstagram (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Making more socks won't affect AfD outcome. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 18:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't believe that WP:NMOTORSPORT is met and the sources appear to be routine sports reporting. The article 's creator is an SPA--perhaps autobiographical but definitely COI. The sock and meat puppets haven't added anything to make me think this subject is WP notable. Papaursa (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I am frightened to publish this change, since you are accusing all the profiles and I am not centering anything, but I would like to save the article because it is a professional driver in all effect since he respects WP:NMOTORSPORT because he participated to the go kart world championship and also winning [9] therefore falls within the points seen which is a competition of global interest for Karting and has made several official single-seater tests if you need more articles I enclose someone, [10][11][12][13][14]

Livia1256 (talk) 15:16, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's because Wikipedia articles are foremost based on WP:GNG -- multiple, reliable, independent, in-depth sources. What we need are sources that talk about the subject in-depth. All these articles fail this -- they talk about an event, a race, or only briefly mention the person and give no details. NMOTORSPORT is not the primary criteria. It explains this: "meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept". It's very much possible for a person to win some major race, but have no significant source coverage. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 16:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, another fresh registered sockpuppet with the same layout mistakes as all the others. The Banner talk 08:43, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I would like to personally save the article because, in my opinion, it is also included in WP: GNG because the articles are all complete and talk about the person and are reliable sources and I have seen this too is on stopandgo [15] and this on motorsport. com[16] 2 of the most important pages on motorsport and I also have this important magazine that on page 40-41 [17] tells the driver in question personally.

Felix0908 (talk) 12:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And another freshly made sockpuppet. The Banner talk 10:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I like how the "new guy" always quotes whatever was the last issue mentioned. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP article should be improved with existing sources. Meets WP:GNG Wm335td (talk) 17:12, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What sources are that? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 17:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How reliable is an article when the OP needs six sockpuppets/meatpuppets to protect the article? The Banner talk 18:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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