Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alden, California
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The result was redirect to Temescal, Oakland, California. Sandstein 14:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Both GNIS and Durham call it an Oakland post office. No evidence there was ever a community by that name. No other indications that it meets basic threshold for notability. Glendoremus (talk) 23:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No notability about this location is established in this article.TH1980 (talk) 00:22, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Weak KeepRedirect to Temescal, Oakland, California. Being a post office is a legal recognition, which fulfills WP:GEOLAND #1. (I know others don't agree.) Alden Post Office was named after Solomon E. Alden, who owned a bunch of Temescal, Oakland, California. Alden Farm was located south of this location. Cxbrx (talk) 14:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)- Comment. This post office directory indicates that Alden was a station (i.e. a subsidiary) of the Oakland post office. At the time there were more than a dozen stations, substations, and contract stations, all serving Oakland. So it's not necessarily correct to make the assumption that if there is a post office named X, there must be a community named X. For this and other reasons, a post office is not a reliable indicator of a community. Glendoremus (talk) 17:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm changing my opinion to redirect to Temescal, Oakland, California. I agree that this location is not very notable, but as it had a post office, it is worth preserving. Deleting the article means that the article might get recreated some time in the future. Doing a redirect is a much better idea. There is a map that says "The Town of Alden". I believe that the GNIS location of the Alden post office is incorrect in that the Alden post office was never located in the Montclair district. The Alden post office was located in Temescal at 49th and Telegraph and renamed to Station E. Station E eventually moved to Montclair. Here's the evidence: A 1908 source documents the name change from Alden to Station E. A 1916 source states that Station E was at 49th and Telegraph for 30 years. In 1908, the Montclair District was basically a wilderness, according Montclair, Oakland, California it was not settled until the 1920s. Here's a 1878 map that shows the Alden tract being in what is now Temescal. A 1899 Oakland Map shows not much out in the Montclair, Oakland, California area. Also, there is an Alden Library located in Temescal that is on the National Register of Historic Places. I'll see about updating the Temescal article. BTW - I think it is really helpful that we are going through these geography articles and deleting or redirecting them. Clearly there are a bunch of articles that are trivial. Cxbrx (talk) 02:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect is a reasonable solution. Glendoremus (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- OK, I've updated Temescal, Oakland, California with the text from the Alden article. The Alden article could be redirected at anytime. Cxbrx (talk) 14:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect is a reasonable solution. Glendoremus (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm changing my opinion to redirect to Temescal, Oakland, California. I agree that this location is not very notable, but as it had a post office, it is worth preserving. Deleting the article means that the article might get recreated some time in the future. Doing a redirect is a much better idea. There is a map that says "The Town of Alden". I believe that the GNIS location of the Alden post office is incorrect in that the Alden post office was never located in the Montclair district. The Alden post office was located in Temescal at 49th and Telegraph and renamed to Station E. Station E eventually moved to Montclair. Here's the evidence: A 1908 source documents the name change from Alden to Station E. A 1916 source states that Station E was at 49th and Telegraph for 30 years. In 1908, the Montclair District was basically a wilderness, according Montclair, Oakland, California it was not settled until the 1920s. Here's a 1878 map that shows the Alden tract being in what is now Temescal. A 1899 Oakland Map shows not much out in the Montclair, Oakland, California area. Also, there is an Alden Library located in Temescal that is on the National Register of Historic Places. I'll see about updating the Temescal article. BTW - I think it is really helpful that we are going through these geography articles and deleting or redirecting them. Clearly there are a bunch of articles that are trivial. Cxbrx (talk) 02:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect per above suggestions, I agree that this is not a notable location per WP:NGEO. Waggie (talk) 00:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.