Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albania–Estonia relations

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The result was redirect to Foreign relations of Estonia. MBisanz ^talk 03:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albania–Estonia relations

No sources found to indicate that this is anything more than a random pairing. Notability not established. Biruitorul ^Talk 15:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Once again, a randomly created article that does nothing to assert notability in world affairs, and is not likely to be able to.--BlueSquadronRaven 21:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Estonia. Wikipedia's policy implies that if an article fails the notability criteria, the first option is to merge the article into another, rather than deletion [1]. Given that where some bilateral agreement exists, there is scope for future development of this relationship, even if a particular relationship is deemed not sufficiently notable at this point in time. Re-directs are cheap. The Estonian MFA indicates such a bilateral agreement exists or is in the precess of being drafted, hence there is scope for future expansion. Note that there may well be undiscovered foreign languages sources supporting notability, therefore this article should be at least merged and a re-direct retained. Martintg (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia ^Dialogue 11:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia ^Dialogue 11:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- Russavia ^Dialogue 11:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unless notability is somehow established by independent reliable references and whatnot. Spiesr (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:N. Note that they don't even bother to have actual embassies in each other's countries. Florent Çeliku is simultaneously ambassador to Ukraine, but resides in Warsaw. He might deserve an article. Resurr Section (talk) 09:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Please can we hold fire on deleting entries on bilateral relations pending the outcome of the central discussion on this class of article? There is growing support for these articles and for a specific guideline to define what makes a bilateral relationship notable - analogous to say WP:music which allows us to rank as notable any musician who’s had a hit in a national chart, even if she hasn’t been the subject of multiple non trivial journalistic or academic studies. Until we have the new guideline editors can spend hours finding sources on these relationships only to see the article deleted by opponents who zealously appeal to a strict interpretation of existing guidelines, which while worthy aren’t specifically tailed to address bilateral relations. Once a specific guideline is in place these articles can be improved accordingly or deleted if they dont meet the agreed criteria – and much less time will be wasted editing in vain and on these ADF discussions. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please try to assess the notability of the article itself, and not vote based on a discussion that might reach no conclusion, for all we know. - Biruitorul ^Talk 14:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non resident embassies. only 1 minor agreement [2] LibStar (talk) 14:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.