Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Brady (DJ)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Consensus is that the subject is not notable, and it isn't clear what the ideal redirect target would be. No prejudice against a redirect in the future should one be identified. StarM 17:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC) StarM 17:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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Asides this, the subject of the article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. The aforementioned source is good but is insufficient to establish notability. They also do not satisfy any criterion from both WP:SINGER & WP:ENT. A before search links me to user generated primary sources. Celestina007 (talk) 23:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Hello there, I'm not sure why this page is up for deletion. I am guilty of starting this late in the evening and it is part of my own project to document 'Little Darlin's Rock N Roll Palace' which was well known on TV and available on DVD. Al Brady, from what I can establish, was an entertainer there who was well known at the time including by the likes of Muhammed Ali as well as the numerous other singers who played at the venue in the day. You write that 'the subject of the article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them.' - what do you mean by this? I did not have time to finish it if you think it a little short. You write 'A before search links me to user generated primary sources' but which ones do you mean? And how do you know for a fact they are user generated? What evidence do you have for this? I have not created any of these sources either. I have others too that don't seem #user generated' perhaps others are as you say, but it would be good to see proof and further context behind what you say please. Other sources that I mean to use to build on the article: [1], [2], [3]
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- Thank you for your time.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don’t believe the subject is notable, and looking at the sourcing for Little Darlin's Rock n’ Roll Palace, the sourcing there is very weak as well. Blogspot is not considered an RS. —Kbabej (talk) 22:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your time.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- delete minor local dj, no in depth coverage in sources that would establish notability. CUPIDICAE💕 12:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose deletion- I disagree with the deletion of this page as outlined in my initial response, but also he was intrinsic to the reformation of WABC (AM) and is mentioned along with other Programme Directors (who also have their own wiki pages). Also, his contribution to Little Darlin's Rock n’ Roll Palace is also palpable, even more so when considering the historic importance and widespread media coverage of the venue's shows at the time. Thank you.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 19:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. A minor local DJ’s CV with some name dropping. It does not belong on WP. —Kbabej (talk) 06:22, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi there, The term 'Minor local DJ' is not factual and if you read his wiki page you would know that he was more than just that. This term undermines your reasons to delete. Minor local DJ's don't tend to be notable Programme Directors (His name was on the WABC (AM) wiki article long before I arrived) or preside over televised music gigs of some of the biggest stars of the 50's and 60's, and while you may feel it is name dropping- they also rarely get to work with others such as Wolfman Jack et al. Al seems to now be a local DJ, that is clear - But to ignore his contribution to some of the nationwide well known radio stations of the time and to ignore his contribution to Little Darling's seems bizarre to me. I understand why you want it deleted to an extent, but believe his contribution to the historicity of Little Darlin's Rock n’ Roll Palace is of clear notable importance. Thank you.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V and WP:SIGCOV. I honestly tried to rescue this, but could not succeed. I also tried various searches uses WABC, on various Google websites and LinkedIn. I can't verify any of the information, outside of the sources already on the page. Generally, we tend to keep drive time DJs, but not other DJs. Sorry. Bearian (talk) 17:31, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Bearian, thank you for your sincere message and attempts to save the article. I wonder why you feel you did not succeed in saving it? I searched using his real name and came across this: http://traxandgrooves.blogspot.com/2017/07/al-brady.html - however they seem to think the guy died. I'm not sure why he needs to be verified further than he already is verified using the sources provided either. I still also note no one seems to acknowledge the importance of his role at Little Darling's. Also if 'we' tend to keep drive time DJ's then I don't see why other types of DJ's are not included. I of course am going to hope that we can keep him on wiki as he was an important aspect of Little Darling's and the 50's/60's revival scene at the time that was hatched via their TV/Live shows. Thank you again for your efforts and kind message.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 21:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Glaaaastonbury88, the problem is we can verify that the subject exists, but not that he is notable and passes WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE. At the moment the article reads like a resumé rather than an encyclopedic article, and that's because it is mainly sourced from the biographies provided by his places of work, along with a couple of pieces from his local newspaper, one of which is just advertising for his new radio show, and the other is an interview with him which is a WP:PRIMARY source. Blogs are not usually accepted as sources on Wikipedia as they are usually written by one person and have no editorial control, so the source you provided above isn't acceptable either. What we are looking for are sources that are independent of the subject or his employers, and pass WP:RS as credible sources, and that is what the editors above are struggling to find. Incidentally, the article for Little Darling's is in a terrible state as well and could well be put up for deletion as well if it is not fixed, but I guess if the venue is really what Mr. Brady is known for, it is possible that this article could be redirected there if it is not kept? Richard3120 (talk) 14:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Richard3120. Thank you for your reasoned reply. It is starting to make more sense to me. Little Darlings definitely needs some work, the issue is there was a legal battle involved in it's name - something that tore the whole thing apart and has led to the only real proof of it's existence (Other than the links already there) lying in the prolific recordings that are available on youtube and to buy on DVD. Perhaps Brady's page could be kind of linked to Little Darling's in some way then? I think that is a good compromise. Thank you for your time and patience.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 19:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Glaaaastonbury88, the problem is we can verify that the subject exists, but not that he is notable and passes WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE. At the moment the article reads like a resumé rather than an encyclopedic article, and that's because it is mainly sourced from the biographies provided by his places of work, along with a couple of pieces from his local newspaper, one of which is just advertising for his new radio show, and the other is an interview with him which is a WP:PRIMARY source. Blogs are not usually accepted as sources on Wikipedia as they are usually written by one person and have no editorial control, so the source you provided above isn't acceptable either. What we are looking for are sources that are independent of the subject or his employers, and pass WP:RS as credible sources, and that is what the editors above are struggling to find. Incidentally, the article for Little Darling's is in a terrible state as well and could well be put up for deletion as well if it is not fixed, but I guess if the venue is really what Mr. Brady is known for, it is possible that this article could be redirected there if it is not kept? Richard3120 (talk) 14:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Bearian, thank you for your sincere message and attempts to save the article. I wonder why you feel you did not succeed in saving it? I searched using his real name and came across this: http://traxandgrooves.blogspot.com/2017/07/al-brady.html - however they seem to think the guy died. I'm not sure why he needs to be verified further than he already is verified using the sources provided either. I still also note no one seems to acknowledge the importance of his role at Little Darling's. Also if 'we' tend to keep drive time DJ's then I don't see why other types of DJ's are not included. I of course am going to hope that we can keep him on wiki as he was an important aspect of Little Darling's and the 50's/60's revival scene at the time that was hatched via their TV/Live shows. Thank you again for your efforts and kind message.Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 21:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Little Darlin's Rock n’ Roll Palace, per discussion above. (Or redirecting to WABC (AM) would be acceptable, too. In fact, it might be the more notable redirect.) I agree that as a stand alone article this subject simply lacks the reliable references to merit independent encyclopedic importance beyond his connection to either the station or the venue. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You would perhaps have a point if any of the sources in the target article mentioned him, but they don't, so it should not be directed there. CUPIDICAE💕 16:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- True. That being the case, I noticed he is discussed prominently in the "Disco era" section of the WABC (AM) article without sources. It may be necessary to evaluate that article as containing original research. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You would perhaps have a point if any of the sources in the target article mentioned him, but they don't, so it should not be directed there. CUPIDICAE💕 16:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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