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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Snowball keep. Topic obviously asserts notability as explained by many participants here (eg: main antagonists of a notable manga). In-universe style is not a reason to delete, it's just a problem that editors frequently encounter when writing about fiction (noted: nominator even misunderstood that in-universe is encouraged in fiction-related articles, as he/she stated A good article really needs both in-universe and real-life references). However, the lack secondary sources is still a matter of concern that needs to be addressed as soon as possible. A minor rewrite that helps reduce the in-universe perspective is also necessary. @pple complain 08:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Akatsuki (Naruto)

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Article is well-referenced but I don't think it passes WP:FICTION on its own and a lot of it is just WP:PLOT. A good article really needs both in-universe and real-life references, and this one lacks the latter. Merge to List of Naruto villains. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, Wikipedia is a consensus so you have to provide a reason why otherwise your opinion qualifies as "I like it". σмgнgσмg 08:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That applies equally well to the deletion discussion. Remember that it's innocent until proven guilty; vague wishy-washy concerns about not particularly popular guidelines (which probably mask a real reason of IDONTLIKEIT) don't cut the mustard here. The burden of proof is not on me, but the nominator. --Gwern (contribs) 13:16 6 November 2007 (GMT)
  • Keep Well written article about main characters in a popular anime. It deserves its own article as its too long to be incorporated anywhere else. There are lots of primary sources, it does need some secondary ones, but AFD isn't supossed to be used to clean up articles. Just like with WP:SAL if a list gets too long in a parent article, it gets its own page. The same logic applies here. Viperix 04:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, this just had something merged to it. They're not individual articles, which mollifies me. I'd like to see it cut down a bit, and some variations in references could be nice. — Soleil (formerly I) 06:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep invoking the snowball clause. This is not the correct venue to initiate a merger discussion. --Farix (Talk) 12:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Itachi had no O.U.R. so don't make stuff up. You still have no answer for WP:SIZE and the fact that indeed it does pass WP:FICT.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 22:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep: Not satisfied with any of the reasons. Satisfies WP:FICT enough to give it enough time for the English version to catch up more so Akatsuki gets more involved at the very least. By then we'll begin to see several English reviews. I'm really annoyed by seeing "all-plot" as a way to merge in-universe articles, so I'll just say it: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL-PLOT AND IN-UNIVERSE!. All plot would be only listing what each member did plotwise, like Zetsu watching Sasuke and Naruto's fight, Tobi annoying Deidara at this one meeting, and Pein sitting on a statue. We list things about the character and shortly describe how they left the organization if they did (Most died, and that's a definite list right there). As for the final one, I believe Wikipedia's far too strict on primary sources. There are books that are without question notable, yet primary sources would be just about all that can be used. You also have little idea just how popular Akatsuki is in Japan, as do most of the others here. They're on the same level of popularity as Tingle or Vaati from The Legend of Zelda, who themselves make tens of millions of dollars for Nintendo. Unfortunately, Google search will send you links from websites speaking your country's primary language(s), so in America, finding anything on Akatsuki is hard, as most is Japanese. Mabye we can find stuff like how much that character has made in figurine sales, which is kinda out-of-universe. All in all, despite how good your case is, your reasons just aren't satisfiable enough. ...Wow, that was long. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 23:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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